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Old Apr 13, 2012 | 12:22 pm
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Baggage Allowance: British Airways to airBerlin

Hey everyone!

Was looking at booking this great deal I found for a one way business class flight from Newcastle to Los Angeles on British Airways and airBerlin. I'd be flying economy on British Airways NCL-LHR-BER, then BER-LAX on airBerling the following morning in business class. It's all on the same ticket so I wanted to see what will my baggage allowance be considered as? The difference airlines, different classes and different baggage allowances of the airlines has me thrown.

Many thanks in advance!
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Old Apr 13, 2012 | 7:04 pm
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Originally Posted by rdlncl
Hey everyone!

Was looking at booking this great deal I found for a one way business class flight from Newcastle to Los Angeles on British Airways and airBerlin. I'd be flying economy on British Airways NCL-LHR-BER, then BER-LAX on airBerling the following morning in business class. It's all on the same ticket so I wanted to see what will my baggage allowance be considered as? The difference airlines, different classes and different baggage allowances of the airlines has me thrown.

Many thanks in advance!
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I suggest you to have a look at this thread, especially posts #2 and #4. Based on this I believe that the rules of the overwater marketing carrier (AB I suppose) apply for your whole yourney.
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Old Apr 13, 2012 | 8:50 pm
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Originally Posted by rdlncl
Hey everyone!

Was looking at booking this great deal I found for a one way business class flight from Newcastle to Los Angeles on British Airways and airBerlin. I'd be flying economy on British Airways NCL-LHR-BER, then BER-LAX on airBerling the following morning in business class. It's all on the same ticket so I wanted to see what will my baggage allowance be considered as? The difference airlines, different classes and different baggage allowances of the airlines has me thrown.

Many thanks in advance!
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How long is your stay in BER. If it is within 24 hours, then BER is considered a transit and therefore the AB allowance will be applied for the entire journey, provided that as you mentioned it is all on 1 TKT. However, is you are staying in BER for >24 hours, then BER is considered a stopover, and BA's intra-Europe rule would govern the allowance for NCL-LHR-BER.

NOTE: This is not really correct.

Last edited by ernestnywang; Apr 16, 2012 at 5:40 pm Reason: This is not really correct.
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Old Apr 14, 2012 | 4:38 am
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Thanks JnsV and ernestnywang! Extremely helpful!
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Old Apr 16, 2012 | 6:22 am
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To unequivocally clarify:

Whether this is a one-way booking that terminates in the USA, or a return booking with a turnaround point in the USA then it is the luggage allowance of the MARKETING CARRIER of the first Journey - this applies for the entire booking.

If you are in BER for no more than 24 hours then it is a transit and the luggage allowance of the carrier represented by the flight number on you BER-LAX flight would be yours for the entire booking.

If you are in BER for more than 24 hours then it is a stopover and the luggage allowance of the carrier represented by the flight number on your LHR-BER flight would be yours for the entire booking, including BER-LAX.

If this is a return booking, irrespective of any routing on the return, whichever of the above luggage allowances qualifies will apply to the entire booking.
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Old Apr 16, 2012 | 10:43 am
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Originally Posted by serfty
If you are in BER for more than 24 hours then it is a stopover and the luggage allowance of the carrier represented by the flight number on your LHR-BER flight would be yours for the entire booking, including BER-LAX.
I guess we were both wrong. The stopover does not seem to matter. As AB is the carrier that takes OP from Area 2 to Area 1, AB is the Most Significant Carrier (MSC) so AB's rule applt for the entire TKT, not BA's even if BER were a stopover.

NOTE: This is not really correct.

PSGR TYPE ADT - 01
CXR RES DATE FARE BASIS NVB NVA BG
NCL
XLON BA L 01JUN LLNCLON1 01JUN 01JUN 02P
BER BA L 01JUN LLNCLON1 01JUN 01JUN 02P
NYC AB C 03JUN IABOW 31OCT 02P
FARE GBP 811.00 EQUIV TWD 38182
TAX TWD 612GB TWD 1248UB TWD 9999XT
TOTAL TWD 50041
ADT-01 LLNCLON1 IABOW
NCL BA X/LON BA BER165.73AB NYC1114.07NUC1279.80
END ROE0.633508
XT TWD179DE TWD337RA TWD1639OY TWD494US TWD163YC TWD207XY
XT TWD148XA TWD6832YQ
ENDOS*SEG1/2*NONREF/-NCLON1
ENDOS*SEG3*NONREF/NONEND/VLD ON AB
TKT/TL20APR12/2359
RATE USED 1GBP-47.080000002636TWD
ATTN*VALIDATING CARRIER - AB
ATTN*BAG ALLOWANCE -NCLJFK-02P/AB
ATTN*ADDITIONAL ALLOWANCES AND/OR DISCOUNTS MAY APPLY
PSGR TYPE ADT - 01
CXR RES DATE FARE BASIS NVB NVA BG
NCL
XLON BA L 01JUN LLNCLON1 01JUN 01JUN 01P
BER BA L 01JUN LLNCLON1 01JUN 01JUN 01P
FARE GBP 105.00 EQUIV TWD 4944
TAX TWD 612GB TWD 1248UB TWD 1742YQ
TOTAL TWD 8546
ADT-01 LLNCLON1
NCL BA X/LON BA BER165.73NUC165.73END ROE0.633508
ENDOS*SEG1/2*NONREF/-NCLON1
TKT/TL20APR12/2359
RATE USED 1GBP-47.080000002636TWD
ATTN*VALIDATING CARRIER - BA

Last edited by ernestnywang; Apr 16, 2012 at 5:40 pm Reason: This is not really correct.
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Old Apr 16, 2012 | 4:33 pm
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I had believed with the USA DOT exception the luggage allowance for the first journey applies for the entire booking.

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However, it appears with the USA Dot exception, the MSC is to be determined by the entire booking - see below.
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If there's a stopover in BER then there are at least two journies: NCL-BER and BER-LAX (more if this is a return booking). In which case the NCL-BER allowance would apply for the entire booking. (For travel within a IATA Tariff sub-areas, the carrier performing carriage on the first international sector. )

It could be the booking engine used is still referring to IATA resolution 301 - which I doubt - maybe APTCO is not working correctly - anyway that benefits the passenger in this case.

Last edited by serfty; Apr 16, 2012 at 11:13 pm Reason: I've been reeducated
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Old Apr 16, 2012 | 5:39 pm
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Originally Posted by serfty
If there's a stopover in BER then there are at least two journies: NCL-BER and BER-LAX (more if this is a return booking). In which case the NCL-BER allowance would apply for the entire booking. (For travel within a IATA Tariff sub-areas, the carrier performing carriage on the first international sector. )
I am not sure how DoT puts it, but this does not make much sense. What if the first journey were, say, operated / marketed by an airline that gives no free baggage? Does the rest of the trip follow that rule even if the PAX were to travel in F? If you have YVR-(AA-M)-ODFW-(BA-F)-JFK, I would not think it would be justified to say the entire journey does not allow bag for free because YVR-DFW is the first journey. Nonetheless, I have found out that the whole thing does not work as easily as I previously said. Here is something interesting. By the way, I use Abacus (the Asian version of Sabre).

PSGR TYPE ADT - 01
CXR RES DATE FARE BASIS NVB NVA BG
YVR
DFW AA M 01JUN MA07ERC1 01JUN 01JUN NIL
FARE CAD 1088.49 EQUIV TWD 32329
TAX TWD 360CA TWD 446SQ TWD 2701XT
TOTAL TWD 35836
ADT-01 MA07ERC1
YVR AA DFW Q7.52 1084.86NUC1092.38END ROE0.99644
XT TWD54RC TWD1635XG TWD494US TWD163YC TWD207XY TWD148XA
ENDOS*SEG1*NONREF/SVCCHGPLUSFAREDIF/CXL BY FLT TIME OR NOVALUE
TKT/TL18APR12/2359
RATE USED 1CAD-29.700000061775TWD
ATTN*VALIDATING CARRIER - AA
ATTN*BAG ALLOWANCE -YVRDFW-NIL/AA
ATTN*1STCHECKED BAG FEE-YVRDFW-TWD743/AA
ATTN*2NDCHECKED BAG FEE-YVRDFW-TWD1040/AA
ATTN*ADDITIONAL ALLOWANCES AND/OR DISCOUNTS MAY APPLY
PSGR TYPE ADT - 01
CXR RES DATE FARE BASIS NVB NVA BG
YVR
DFW AA M 01JUN MA07ERC1 01JUN 01JUN 01P
LON BA F 01JUL F1OWJB 01JUN 03P
FARE CAD 10653.00 EQUIV TWD 316395
TAX TWD 770CA TWD 446SQ TWD 9684XT
TOTAL TWD 327295
ADT-01 MA07ERC1 F1OWJB
YVR AA DFW Q7.52 1084.86BA LON9599.00NUC10691.38END ROE0.99644
XT TWD54RC TWD163YC TWD207XY TWD148XA TWD74AY TWD8904YQ
XT TWD134XFDFW4.5
ENDOS*SEG1*NONREF/SVCCHGPLUSFAREDIF/CXL BY FLT TIME OR NOVALUE
TKT/TL18APR12/2359
RATE USED 1CAD-29.700000061775TWD
ATTN*VALIDATING CARRIER - BA
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Old Apr 16, 2012 | 11:06 pm
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This post is useful: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...l#post17448077

And this even more so ...http://www.cxagentsusa.com/images/30...GE_RULES_1.pdf

Going by that .pdf I was incorrect.

With the USA DoT exception, CX are indicating the MSC is to be ascertained on the entire journey irrespective of Stopovers, so it's the marketing carrier of either first crossing between TC's, or if none then the first crossing between sub areas and if neither of these it's the first International segment.

Last edited by serfty; Apr 16, 2012 at 11:14 pm
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