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Which Oneworld Frequent Flyer Program
I travel quite a bit between the US and Saudi Arabia for work. Regrettably, I do not have the luxury of choosing my own itineraries. For years all of my work-related travel has been on Skyteam carriers and I've been crediting the miles to Delta Skymiles. However, my employer has now decided that we will be flying with Oneworld carriers and I am a loss as to which OW frequent flyer program to use. Some general info about my flying habits:
1) I appreciate Delta's operations & service so all my domestic flying will still be with DL. 2) I don't give a damn about credit card sign-up bonuses. 3) I care more for elite status then I do for earning redeemable miles; but, I have no idea which carrier will be getting the lion's share of my long-haul business. 4) Some travel may be on Emirates, which I can credit to JAL's program. So does anyone have a favorite stand-out OW program. Thanks! |
Welcome to FT MancMonkey! There's actually an ongoing thread about choosing which programme over on the oneworld thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...help-here.html
I've asked a friendly mod to move this over for you. |
Given your two complaint threads it won't be BA!
But the http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/oneworld-411/ would be the best place to start |
Originally Posted by UKtravelbear
(Post 27878442)
Given your two complaint threads it won't be BA!
But the http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/oneworld-411/ would be the best place to start |
Please continue this discussion in the oneworld forum
Prospero Moderator: BA forum |
Best earn and burn program when flying discounted J
With AA awarding miles base on spends + the devaluation, I am not sure they still are the best option for me,
I value earning and burning mile above all, I was considering BA, I fly CX, MH and QR on 75% of my flight, so no bonus earning as when flying BA flight. It looks like there is no good programme anymore with easy earning and good redemption rate... |
Originally Posted by tobitronics
(Post 27850980)
Hi all,
Used to be (still am) a ST Elite +, however I have got some flights in J on OW carriers coming up and I need to decide which program to credit them to. Trips are as follows: Trip 1: 6 segments (2 domestic US on AA, 2 inter-EU on BA/IB, 2 intercontinental on AA) all in J/D/I booking class Trip 2: 4 segments: 2 inter-EU (LHR-HEL) in J on BA operated by AY, 2 inter-EU (HEL-TLL) in flex-economy (Y) on BA operated by AY. Trip 3: 4 segments, all long-haul J (booking class R) on QR Figured that these flights will land me the highest tier on somewhat any OW carrier's FF programme, but I am asking here for experiences with different programmes with respect to benefits as well as miles value/redemption. (1) What is most important to you in a FFP? Reply: Upgrades, then lounge access/priority (2) How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class? How many flights/sectors? Reply: 25-35 flights, 50/50 between EU and intercontinental (North America, South America and Central- + East-Asia) (3) What types of fares do you usually buy? Reply: , 90% of the time lowest price economy (4) Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure? Reply: Only pleasure as of now, choice based on alliance (FF status) and price (5) Which routes and airlines do you fly most often? Reply: For now KLM, inter European routes (6) What is your home airport? Reply: AMS (7) Do you have FFP status of any kind in OW or other airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP? Reply: ST Gold on KLM/AF with around 70k miles in reserve (8) Preferred Airlines? Most common Airlines flown on? Reply: Stayed loyal to ST until now, I like KLM/AF (also most flights on these). Hope you guys can point me in a right direction :) aa requires 100k eqm for emerald, assuming your qr long haul has 20k flown miles, and r class earns 1.5 per miles, which lands you 30k.eqm which is 30% of the requirement. |
I would appreciate some help here - I thought I knew a lot about FF programs but OW is so different - haven't looked at it since I was BA Gold 20 years ago. Marco Polo / Asia Miles doesn't seem very attractive, since they will only match me to silver in the best case, and there is no elite bonus on miles earned.
(1) What is most important to you in a FFP? lots of award tickets for my wife and kids, extra baggage allowance, better award access, priority services when flying the airline. I would hope for a jump start with a status match too. (2) How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class? How many flights/sectors? Reply: 75,000-125,000 miles, largely long-haul in J. Only 15-25 sectors (3) What types of fares do you usually buy? Reply: Cheap Business, moderately cheap Y on US domestic flights (4) Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure? Reply: Yes, I choose - 75% work, 25% pleasure (5) Which routes and airlines do you fly most often? Reply: UA TLV-USA and domestic USA. LX/LH also to USA and South America. Until now TK/SQ to Asia and Australia. a few trips from TLV to Europe. Planning to switch the Asia and Australia flights at least to CX since they now have one stop TLV-HKG-MEL I have two TLV-HKG returns on CX booked in J (D class) for April/May. (6) What is your home airport? Reply: TLV (7) Do you have FFP status of any kind in OW or other airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP? Reply: UA 1K/MM, Chase UR too (8) Preferred Airlines? Most common Airlines flown on? Reply: UA, LX, LH, SQ starting to fly CX |
I am thinking of joining BA because of their much-more generous Tier Point scheme compared to Marco Polo's club points, despite being in Marco Polo for almost 10 years. New job meant I'm flying a lot more than before (no J no F though) so lounge access is much loved.
My target is OW Sapphire. (1) What is most important to you in a FFP? Reply: lounge access (2) How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class? How many flights/sectors? (<25000, 25000-50000, >50000 miles - <25, 25-50, >50 flights?) Reply: 25000-50000. 25-50 flights probably. (3) What types of fares do you usually buy? (First, Business, Premium economy, Economy, cheapest) Reply: Economy/cheapest (4) Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure? Reply: Yes, Both (5) Which routes and airlines do you fly most often? (US Domestic, Transpacific, Kangaroo, in Asia etc) Reply: APAC/Europe (6) What is your home airport? (SFO, SCL, London LHR, HKG, Singapore SIN etc.) Reply: HKG (7) Do you have FFP status of any kind in OW or other airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP? (AA Executive Platinum, QF Gold, UA 1K, LAN Comodoro, etc) Reply: CX Marco Polo Green (90 ClubPoints) (8) Preferred Airlines? Most common Airlines flown on? Reply: oneworld obviously but don't like Qatar as they strictly adhere to the "one hand-carry" baggage policy - no backpack + carry-on suitcase. Was forced to check in backpack as i had my laptop in my carry-on. Never had problem with KA/CX/AY/EK/etc Thank you very much for your time. |
Originally Posted by cassiohui
(Post 27970661)
I am thinking of joining BA because of their much-more generous Tier Point scheme compared to Marco Polo's club points, despite being in Marco Polo for almost 10 years. New job meant I'm flying a lot more than before (no J no F though) so lounge access is much loved.
My target is OW Sapphire. (1) What is most important to you in a FFP? Reply: lounge access (2) How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class? How many flights/sectors? (<25000, 25000-50000, >50000 miles - <25, 25-50, >50 flights?) Reply: 25000-50000. 25-50 flights probably. (3) What types of fares do you usually buy? (First, Business, Premium economy, Economy, cheapest) Reply: Economy/cheapest (4) Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure? Reply: Yes, Both (5) Which routes and airlines do you fly most often? (US Domestic, Transpacific, Kangaroo, in Asia etc) Reply: APAC/Europe (6) What is your home airport? (SFO, SCL, London LHR, HKG, Singapore SIN etc.) Reply: HKG (7) Do you have FFP status of any kind in OW or other airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP? (AA Executive Platinum, QF Gold, UA 1K, LAN Comodoro, etc) Reply: CX Marco Polo Green (90 ClubPoints) (8) Preferred Airlines? Most common Airlines flown on? Reply: oneworld obviously but don't like Qatar as they strictly adhere to the "one hand-carry" baggage policy - no backpack + carry-on suitcase. Was forced to check in backpack as i had my laptop in my carry-on. Never had problem with KA/CX/AY/EK/etc Thank you very much for your time. whereas it could take 4 segments to get 600 tier points if flying J on BA. |
Originally Posted by pbd456
(Post 27971320)
did you check how many tier points would you get from a typical trip? BA is a program gear for people flying J. it is hard to get 600 tier points when you are flying economy fare.
whereas it could take 4 segments to get 600 tier points if flying J on BA. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/...y5pc6la/BA.PNG https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/...9mwf9no/CX.PNG Even for destinations that BA doesn't serve (Flying CX for instance), they still give similar-enough points. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/...qqj/ba_icn.PNG https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/...8n2/cx_icn.PNG Am I missing anything hidden? |
cassiohui I suspect the answer will depend on what "cheapest" actually means in combination with how many European trips you will take in a year. And how many trips will have a traveling companion (which really would need OW Sapphire for double lounge access)
V class on CX to most European cities (>5000miles) will earn 35 points each way. E class (PEY) would be 45. Since at the moment MPC Silver (target 300) will provide the single traveler with lounge access when traveling on CX it might be easier to aim for that. If your cheapest really does mean S, N or Q fare classes on CX then status may be an impossible target. If LHR is one of your destination cities, Sri Lankan would earn more in R class (10+35 each way with MPC) and would likely be less expensive than CX V class. For certain the business cabin would a lot less than CX and the newish A330s are "nice". Perhaps biased wandering Fred |
Originally Posted by wandering_fred
(Post 27972841)
cassiohui I suspect the answer will depend on what "cheapest" actually means in combination with how many European trips you will take in a year. And how many trips will have a traveling companion (which really would need OW Sapphire for double lounge access)
V class on CX to most European cities (>5000miles) will earn 35 points each way. E class (PEY) would be 45. Since at the moment MPC Silver (target 300) will provide the single traveler with lounge access when traveling on CX it might be easier to aim for that. If your cheapest really does mean S, N or Q fare classes on CX then status may be an impossible target. If LHR is one of your destination cities, Sri Lankan would earn more in R class (10+35 each way with MPC) and would likely be less expensive than CX V class. For certain the business cabin would a lot less than CX and the newish A330s are "nice". Perhaps biased wandering Fred Anyway referring to your post, I just use LHR as an example because both airlines serve the HKG<->LHR route. For a round trip Y I get (depending on Ticket Class) 40-140 BAEC tier points flying BA but only 20-90 MPC club points flying CX. (No Premium Economy for me :( ) Another problem with CX is that they don't always serve where I'm going. For business reasons I had to go to Berlin, Venice, Stuttgart in the past four months, these are not CX destinations - they don't even have codeshare flights, so I'm not getting the max club points for MPC. Of course I can earn club points flying on more or less any OW flights but there is less for the same distance but CX. The same obviously happens to BA too - if you fly with other OW members you get slightly less Tier points than what you'd otherwise get from BA, but it's still at least the same as CX. For example if I fly CX from HKG to ICN Seoul, I get 5-15 MPC club points, but 5-20 BAEC Tier Points, depending on Ticket Class. The uncertain bit for me is, considering both have the same requirements for Ruby/Sapphire (300, 600 points respectively), it seems like BA is a no-brainer - unless I'm missing something? The main reason I want Sapphire is not for the "bring a guest" but so I can go into a lounge as long as I fly with OW. If I'm MPC Silver I can only enter the lounge when I fly CX...and as mentioned it's quite hard for me to only fly CX. p.s. interesting you mentioned S class - just for the sake of discussion, HKG->LHR CX S gives you 10 club points, BA S gives you 35, but HKG->ICN both S gives you 5...which is what I was thinking - at worst, same as CX, at best, quite a bit more? For discussion sake, HKG->LHR flying srilankan gives 30-45 MPC Club Points, or 40-140 (!!!!!) BAEC Club Points. All points calculated using official points calculator https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_....html?switch=Y https://www.britishairways.com/trave...r/public/en_gb |
Why are both of my replies gone? :confused::confused::confused:
I was saying, to get OWS-equivalent levels in CX and BA both requires 600points but BA seems to be much generous, both for their own flight and for OW member flights. This is important because if I fly in APAC I will have to fly something that is not BA. The official tier points calculators on their websites show that for the same route (say HKG->LHR) Flying BA earning BAEC tier points I get 20-70 tier points (depending on Ticket Class) Flying CX earning MPC club points I get 10-45 club points Just as an example for an APAC route that I have to fly non-BA, e.g. a CX HKG->ICN (Seoul) flight Flying CX earning BAEC tier points I get 5-20 tier points Flying CX earning MPC club points I get 5-15 club points And just for interest, For the Srilankan flight mentioned by Fred, HKG->CMB and CMB->LHR Flying UL earning BAEC tier points I get 20-70 and 20-70 tier points totaling 40-140 tier points (!) Flying UL earning MPC club points I get 10 and 20-35 club points totaling 30-45 tier points Specifically, for the R Class Fred mentioned, I get 40 BAEC tier points or 45 MPC club points So at worse I earn the similar, maybe a bit less points as MPC in BAEC but at best I earn quite a bit more. Am I missing something? Am I over-simplifying the two plans? Or should I just go for BAEC? |
I should add that one of the reasons I'm considering BAEC is because CX doesn't serve the few destinations I've been to in the past few months - Berlin, Venice, Stuttgart. There weren't even code-shared CX flights, but BA serves all these. And if, say I do a HKG->LHR->TXL return, then I would satisfy even the BAEC Silver requirement of flying BA 4 times
MPC Silver is not good enough for me because I literally cannot fly CX all the time, and therefore it means I don't get lounge access every time as MPC Silver only allows lounge access if you fly CX/KA. For that I need MPC Gold but it is quite impossible for me to rack up the club points required. BAEC tier points seem to be easier for me to get up to BAEC Silver which means lounge access as long as I fly OneWorld. |
the downside is that if u are not able to get 600 BA tier point, you wont even get any lounge access as you would have when you fly CX as a CX silver. if you are willing to spend your own money, it is fairly easy to rack up tier point by flying cheap business class ticket. This is how many 70s years old parents, and 3 years niece able to obtain 2500 BA tier points in their first year of membership basing in HK.
i estimate that the 3 years old obtain BA gold for 25000hkd via discount long haul business class ticket and child discount. pretty sweet, i would say. (no mileage running, all vacation) |
BA and Qantas points
When I first made my first long haul flight it was with Qantas and joined their FF progam. Since then been lucky to do lots more flying but been using BA.
Now what I've been doing is claiming the BA miles/points through my qantas account. Does it really make any difference seeing as they are part of oneworld or am i not getting the true value? Would ideally move the points to BA but doubt they'd allow that? |
Welcome to FlyerTalk aidan1980!
No you won't be able to move points held in your QF account to BA, but you may be able to redeem them on BA if you have enough. As to whether you should switch to earning with BAEC instead of QF I've requested your post to be moved into the following thread, where others will come up with some suggestions depending on your flying pattern. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...help-here.html |
aidan1980 Welcome to FT
Originally Posted by aidan1980
(Post 28007842)
When I first made my first long haul flight it was with Qantas and joined their FF program. Since then been lucky to do lots more flying but been using BA.
Now what I've been doing is claiming the BA miles/points through my Qantas account. Does it really make any difference seeing as they are part of oneworld or am i not getting the true value? Would ideally move the points to BA but doubt they'd allow that? What is you flying pattern What are your objectives from a ffp? There is a big difference value - earn - burn between ffp's The QF ffp is a poor ffp. If living in Aust can be OK with earning from non flying activities. Generally better crediting to airline ffp ypu fly most with or an airline ffp of you home country Look here http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...help-here.html |
Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
(Post 28010311)
Gardyloo Oneworld moderator |
Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
(Post 28010311)
aidan1980 Welcome to FT
Where do you live? What is you flying pattern What are your objectives from a ffp? There is a big difference value - earn - burn between ffp's The QF ffp is a poor ffp. If living in Aust can be OK with earning from non flying activities. Generally better crediting to airline ffp ypu fly most with or an airline ffp of you home country Look here http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...help-here.html my last flight was in business class with BA and not claimed the points yet and have 13600 points with qantas just looking to get enough points for free upgrades and/or flights etc |
CX has offered me a silver match after one flight - but I would still like some advice please.
Originally Posted by sabbasolo
(Post 27963672)
I would appreciate some help here - I thought I knew a lot about FF programs but OW is so different - haven't looked at it since I was BA Gold 20 years ago. Marco Polo / Asia Miles doesn't seem very attractive, since they will only match me to silver in the best case, and there is no elite bonus on miles earned.
(1) What is most important to you in a FFP? lots of award tickets for my wife and kids, extra baggage allowance, better award access, priority services when flying the airline. I would hope for a jump start with a status match too. (2) How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class? How many flights/sectors? Reply: 75,000-125,000 miles, largely long-haul in J. Only 15-25 sectors (3) What types of fares do you usually buy? Reply: Cheap Business, moderately cheap Y on US domestic flights (4) Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure? Reply: Yes, I choose - 75% work, 25% pleasure (5) Which routes and airlines do you fly most often? Reply: UA TLV-USA and domestic USA. LX/LH also to USA and South America. Until now TK/SQ to Asia and Australia. a few trips from TLV to Europe. Planning to switch the Asia and Australia flights at least to CX since they now have one stop TLV-HKG-MEL I have two TLV-HKG returns on CX booked in J (D class) for April/May. (6) What is your home airport? Reply: TLV (7) Do you have FFP status of any kind in OW or other airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP? Reply: UA 1K/MM, Chase UR too (8) Preferred Airlines? Most common Airlines flown on? Reply: UA, LX, LH, SQ starting to fly CX |
Originally Posted by sabbasolo
(Post 28014204)
CX has offered me a silver match after one flight - but I would still like some advice please.
From the sound of your travel patterns it sounds like you'd have little difficulty in reaching BA Silver (Oneworld Sapphire) which would allow lounge access across the network, even to AA Admirals Clubs on domestic itineraries in the US, something that even AA elites don't get. You'd have to fly at least 4 segments on BA metal (any class,) but that wouldn't be hard flying from TLV. Depending on how often you fly long haul, you might find it quite easy to make BA Gold/Oneworld Emerald, which would bump your perks even more. Generally award availability on BA is pretty decent, although of course you'll confront the dreaded BA fuel surcharges on award tickets. (They don't call it that anymore after getting sued in the US over it, but a rose is a rose.) But some Star Alliance carriers do the same thing. But the analysis wouldn't take too long, and I'd bet you could easily find BA a better fit than CX for the long term. |
Hi all,
My first post here - but I'm hoping for some help in choosing the best FFP, having done some research but quickly getting lost in all the options. For the next 6 months, I'm going to be flying monthly in Business Class from London(UK) to Canberra(Aus). I'm also likely to be taking a few more domestic flights while in Australia, and 2-3 other Economy flights from London throughout the year for holidays. I've heard mixed reviews about the quality of BA Business Class, so my current plan is to collect Avios through the BA Scheme, request a BA Premium Amex and look to fly via a different OneWorld carrier (perhaps Qatar airways). Does this sound sensible? As below: (1) What is most important to you in a FFP? Upgrades, Flights, Lounge access (I usually fly Economy apart from these trips) (2) How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class? How many flights/sectors? <25000 - although obviously this year will be far more (3) What types of fares do you usually buy? Premium Economy, Economy (4) Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure? Work and please - and yes (5) Which routes and airlines do you fly most often? BA - mostly intra-Europe (6) What is your home airport? London Heathrow/Gatwick/City (7) Do you have FFP status of any kind in OW or other airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP? Only BA currently, not many Avios saved up (8) Preferred Airlines? Most common Airlines flown on? No preference - largely fly BA or budget airline |
Adium Welcome to FT
Originally Posted by Adium
(Post 28049666)
My first post here - but I'm hoping for some help in choosing the best FFP, having done some research but quickly getting lost in all the options.
For the next 6 months, I'm going to be flying monthly in Business Class from London(UK) to Canberra(Aus). I'm also likely to be taking a few more domestic flights while in Australia, and 2-3 other Economy flights from London throughout the year for holidays. You will be flying LHR-xxx-MEL/SYD-CBR. xxx could be a range of airports OW airlines are BA, QF, QR, CX (Cathay) & MH (Malaysian) The airline you fly most or an airline of the country you live is the best ffp for many people. Generally you are better earning on your primary airline due to greater recognition, better service when disruptions, ability to upgrade flights and possible operational upgrades. The airline you fly and the airline frequent flyer program you credit those flights to does not need to be the same. Monthly business class will get status with most/all? of the airlines if you credit to that airlines ffp. If crediting to a different ffp from the airline flying the ff miles/status earning may be less. With BA you need 2/4 BA flights before you get to status. Many airlines have the 4 own airline flight requirement for status. Mid - top status has benefits. like better seat selection (or no requirement to pay $ with BA), lounge access and more avios/miles/points earned from a status bonus. You will only get upgrades using miles/points from the ffp of the airline you are flying. You will not get cross airline/cross ffp upgrades. BA/IB/AA have a limited cross airline upgrade system subject to specific t&c's, so not available on the Kangaroo route. As you live in UK BA ffp would be the first choice. Do not consider the QF ffp. |
(1) What is most important to you in a FFP?
In the context of OW, mainly to redeem credit card points to buy Biz tickets from SIN to Europe, Australia, Japan. Occasionally eco tickets. (2) How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class? How many flights/sectors? <25000 (3) What types of fares do you usually buy? Economy (4) Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure? Only for pleasure (5) Which routes and airlines do you fly most often? QR/BA to Europe, QF to Australia, JL to Japan, potentially Cathay to US. (6) What is your home airport? SIN (7) Do you have FFP status of any kind in OW or other airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP? No (8) Preferred Airlines? Most common Airlines flown on? SQ, but looking for alternative to use credit card points if SQ is not available. Can be FFP of QR, BA, CX, QF. The most interesting awards seem to be with CX but I'm not sure on availability vs QR or BA FFP and the miles expire after 3 years. |
Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
(Post 28050005)
Adium Welcome to FT
I assume these LON-CBR trips are for business/government. Are you subject to a corporate travel policy-preferred airlines? You will be flying LHR-xxx-MEL/SYD-CBR. xxx could be a range of airports OW airlines are BA, QF, QR, CX (Cathay) & MH (Malaysian) The airline you fly most or an airline of the country you live is the best ffp for many people. Generally you are better earning on your primary airline due to greater recognition, better service when disruptions, ability to upgrade flights and possible operational upgrades. The airline you fly and the airline frequent flyer program you credit those flights to does not need to be the same. Monthly business class will get status with most/all? of the airlines if you credit to that airlines ffp. If crediting to a different ffp from the airline flying the ff miles/status earning may be less. With BA you need 2/4 BA flights before you get to status. Many airlines have the 4 own airline flight requirement for status. Mid - top status has benefits. like better seat selection (or no requirement to pay $ with BA), lounge access and more avios/miles/points earned from a status bonus. You will only get upgrades using miles/points from the ffp of the airline you are flying. You will not get cross airline/cross ffp upgrades. BA/IB/AA have a limited cross airline upgrade system subject to specific t&c's, so not available on the Kangaroo route. As you live in UK BA ffp would be the first choice. Do not consider the QF ffp. So in conclusion, I should book flights on the BA FFP and (if possible) try to fly BA for the benefits you mentioned. Is the only difference in Avios that a QF flight wouldn't get the additional tier points bonus (hence for my first flight at Blue tier, it would be the same)? I've read online that BA Business Class is a fairly poor offering compared to Cathay/QF/etc. - is that true? I'll get the 4 BA flights from personal holiday flights - so that shouldn't be an issue. |
(1) What is most important to you in a FFP?
Lounge access and good earning and redemption rate (2) How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class? How many flights/sectors? <25000 (3) What types of fares do you usually buy? discounted Economy that gives at least 50% of the mikes (4) Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure? Mostly for school (5) Which routes and airlines do you fly most often? HKG to LHR/MAN with max 1 stop (6) What is your home airport? HKG (7) Do you have FFP status of any kind in OW or other airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP? No (8) Preferred Airlines? Most common Airlines flown on? Prefer CX/AY/QR on OW. Flown emirates mostly previously because of the cheap fare. Now i start to fly more so i decide to join a ffp to earn miles. |
Originally Posted by flyasia
(Post 28055244)
(1) What is most important to you in a FFP?
In the context of OW, mainly to redeem credit card points to buy Biz tickets from SIN to Europe, Australia, Japan. Occasionally eco tickets. (2) How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class? How many flights/sectors? <25000 (3) What types of fares do you usually buy? Economy (4) Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure? Only for pleasure (5) Which routes and airlines do you fly most often? QR/BA to Europe, QF to Australia, JL to Japan, potentially Cathay to US. (6) What is your home airport? SIN (7) Do you have FFP status of any kind in OW or other airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP? No (8) Preferred Airlines? Most common Airlines flown on? SQ, but looking for alternative to use credit card points if SQ is not available. Can be FFP of QR, BA, CX, QF. The most interesting awards seem to be with CX but I'm not sure on availability vs QR or BA FFP and the miles expire after 3 years. |
Well flyasia given the modest amount of economy flying I would start with Asia Miles, provided you can find a CC generating points/miles. Without the status that comes with flying, the availability across the OW programs isn't going to be all that different. I have been happy with the PEY award offerings from CX which I can't get from the partners. I suspect there is a small bias in biz class as well.
Happy wandering Fred |
Hi All,
I am having a dilemma between going for CX Gold or BA Gold and CX Silver or BA Silver (for my parents). It would be great if you guys can give me some inputs. Thanks! (1) What is most important to you in a FFP? Upgrades, flight schedule, Good redemption availability, lounge access (I usually fly Economy or Premium Economy - occasionally 1 long haul Business) (2) How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class? How many flights/sectors? Myself: ~60000 miles (3 long hauls/1 short haul per month) Parents: ~30000 miles (2 long hauls + 3-4 short hauls) (3) What types of fares do you usually buy? Myself: Premium Economy, Economy, Business (for some short hauls and one of the long hauls usually) Parents: Premium Economy, Economy, Business (for some short hauls and one of the long hauls usually) (4) Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure? Myself: Yes - both Parents: Yes - pleasure (5) Which routes and airlines do you fly most often? BA - mostly intra-Europe/HKG-LHR CX - mostly intra-Asia/HKG-Australia/HKG-North America (6) What is your home airport? HKG (7) Do you have FFP status of any kind in OW or other airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP? Myself: CX GO and BA Silver Parents: CX Silver (8) Preferred Airlines? Most common Airlines flown on? OneWorld |
any thoughts guys? :)
Originally Posted by anthony.a
(Post 28100081)
Hi All,
I am having a dilemma between going for CX Gold or BA Gold and CX Silver or BA Silver (for my parents). It would be great if you guys can give me some inputs. Thanks! (1) What is most important to you in a FFP? Upgrades, flight schedule, Good redemption availability, lounge access (I usually fly Economy or Premium Economy - occasionally 1 long haul Business) (2) How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class? How many flights/sectors? Myself: ~60000 miles (3 long hauls/1 short haul per month) Parents: ~30000 miles (2 long hauls + 3-4 short hauls) (3) What types of fares do you usually buy? Myself: Premium Economy, Economy, Business (for some short hauls and one of the long hauls usually) Parents: Premium Economy, Economy, Business (for some short hauls and one of the long hauls usually) (4) Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure? Myself: Yes - both Parents: Yes - pleasure (5) Which routes and airlines do you fly most often? BA - mostly intra-Europe/HKG-LHR CX - mostly intra-Asia/HKG-Australia/HKG-North America (6) What is your home airport? HKG (7) Do you have FFP status of any kind in OW or other airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP? Myself: CX GO and BA Silver Parents: CX Silver (8) Preferred Airlines? Most common Airlines flown on? OneWorld |
Originally Posted by anthony.a
(Post 28104654)
any thoughts guys? :)
do u need op up on CX? I believe CX gold has higher priority for op up than BA gold. But BA gold is emerald and CX gold is sapphire. I would pick BA gold, as there are more elite bonus on BA gold, and emerald status. In fact, my mom, dad, and my 3 years old niece are all BA golds with 2500 tier points (for Gold upgrade for two certificate). in particulate, my 3 years old wouldnt even get any CX status since CX wont award status due to her age. |
My first step into this game was with the Southwest Companion Pass, which has served me well, but will be up at the end of 2017. Since WN has no alliance, I haven't had to worry about it yet, but I want to make the best decision for the future. I've narrowed it down to oneworld and Star Alliance (not really interested in SkyTeam). As an addition to the answers below - if I can bank miles to a program that would allow lifetime status at some point, I'd like to. Might as well have an end goal, right?
(1) What is most important to you in a FFP? (upgrades on travel, priority services when flying the airline, extra baggage allowance, good award redemption rates, better award access, free - discounted lounge access, etc.) Reply: Definitely good award redemption rates and better award access, lounges would be nice. Not a whole lot of interest in extra services or free baggage, I travel light. Credit cards in the US are a plus though, as I don't want to worry about expiring miles all the time. (2) How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class? How many flights/sectors? (<25000, 25000-50000, >50000 miles - <25, 25-50, >50 flights?) Reply: Less than 25k miles, hoping to fly more in the next few years with all these miles I've been banking! (3) What types of fares do you usually buy? (First, Business, Premium economy, Economy, cheapest) Reply: Economy. I'd like to book business or first award tickets at some point, but can't see myself paying (as opposed to award flights) for those very often. (4) Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure? Reply: No work travel right now. (5) Which routes and airlines do you fly most often? (US Domestic, Transpacific, Kangaroo, in Asia etc) Reply: Currently, mostly domestic (Southwest CP). No "most often" routes planned in the future though, just looking to see more of the world. (6) What is your home airport? (SFO, SCL, London LHR, HKG, Singapore SIN etc.) Reply: BOS (PVD too if it helps) (7) Do you have FFP status of any kind in OW or other airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP? (AA Executive Platinum, QF Gold, UA 1K, LAN Comodoro, etc) Reply: No status, 350k AAdvantage miles and about 120k Alaska (I know it's not oneworld, but the American/Alaska relationship may help?) (8) Preferred Airlines? Most common Airlines flown on? Reply: No preference. I don't need a lot of frills, but of course my flight experience is somewhat limited so far. |
Originally Posted by financialhippie
(Post 28129006)
I've narrowed it down to Oneworld and Star Alliance (not really interested in SkyTeam).
<snip> (7) Do you have FFP status of any kind in OW or other airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP? (AA Executive Platinum, QF Gold, UA 1K, LAN Comodoro, etc) Reply: No status, 350k AAdvantage miles and about 120k Alaska (I know it's not Oneworld, but the American/Alaska relationship may help?) As AA & AS partners you have a big cross over, unless uyou are getting ff miles fron credit cards. AS is a good ffp as it has many partners in OW & Skyteam As for award cost in ff miles it is what it is. USA based ffp's tend to lower without surcharges. Look at www.awardace.com and other like this. |
Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
(Post 28129709)
With AA & AS you have no where to change to, that will be better.
As AA & AS partners you have a big cross over, unless uyou are getting ff miles fron credit cards. AS is a good ffp as it has many partners in OW & Skyteam As for award cost in ff miles it is what it is. USA based ffp's tend to lower without surcharges. Look at www.awardace.com and other like this. What do you mean by "nowhere to change to"? Bolded above. |
Originally Posted by flyasia
(Post 28055244)
(1) What is most important to you in a FFP?
In the context of OW, mainly to redeem credit card points to buy Biz tickets from SIN to Europe, Australia, Japan. Occasionally eco tickets. (2) How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class? How many flights/sectors? <25000 (3) What types of fares do you usually buy? Economy (4) Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure? Only for pleasure (5) Which routes and airlines do you fly most often? QR/BA to Europe, QF to Australia, JL to Japan, potentially Cathay to US. (6) What is your home airport? SIN (7) Do you have FFP status of any kind in OW or other airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP? No (8) Preferred Airlines? Most common Airlines flown on? SQ, but looking for alternative to use credit card points if SQ is not available. Can be FFP of QR, BA, CX, QF. The most interesting awards seem to be with CX but I'm not sure on availability vs QR or BA FFP and the miles expire after 3 years. QF status gives benefits on 3K, JQ, EK, MU, FJ, and across the entire OW network. Annually, you will need 4 minimum sectors on QF group airlines, which is a piece of cake with 3K being based in SIN. Just book 2 return starter plus fares to somewhere and you get the minimum 4 sectors. QF has an interesting chart for intra-asia travel in premium classes. Most 3-4 hour flight destinations would already earn ~ 80 status credits per way in J. I can't comment on the points redemption reasonability part, as the J fares for certain OW airlines ex SIN are cheap enough to warrant cash fares instead. |
Help!!!! Which OW FF program ?!
I'm sorry I didn't want to go through 88 pages of information, and although my question was somewhat answered in the very first page of this topic, this was back in 2011 and I am juste wondering if it is still up to date.
I'm a *A frequent flyer based in YUL, but I recently experienced horrible customer service with AC, as well as a serious mismanagement from the airline (they made me wait more than 24 hours at YYZ for a flight to IND...). I am also a little tired of connecting at YYZ, I prefer going through US custom at YUL, as it is easier to connect after. So I am considering switching to OW, as I feel my travels bring me to places that fit their network. I would just like to know which FF program is better for me based on my preferences!!! (1) What is most important to you in a FFP? (upgrades on travel, priority services when flying the airline, extra baggage allowance, good award redemption rates, better award access, free - discounted lounge access, etc.) Reply: Lounge access, easiness to reach higher tiers, upgrades. (2) How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class? How many flights/sectors? (<25000, 25000-50000, >50000 miles - <25, 25-50, >50 flights?) Reply: I fly around 30-35 segments, though that is bound to increase in the upcoming years. mostly Canada-US. (3) What types of fares do you usually buy? (First, Business, Premium economy, Economy, cheapest) Reply: When travelling for business, I fly Economy (though my company does not allow for the cheapest fare), sometimes Business. When I travel for vacations, it is always the cheapest economy fare. (4) Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure? Reply: I can choose the airline, less so for the class of service. I mostly travel for work (90% of my travels). (5) Which routes and airlines do you fly most often? (US Domestic, Transpacific, Kangaroo, in Asia etc) Reply: YUL-PHX/IND/RDU/NYC several times a year. But I fly once a year to DXB, HKG/SIN, LHR and ARN and more rarely YYC/YVR and YYZ. (6) What is your home airport? (SFO, SCL, London LHR, HKG, Singapore SIN etc.) Reply: YUL (7) Do you have FFP status of any kind in OW or other airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP? (AA Executive Platinum, QF Gold, UA 1K, LAN Comodoro, etc) Reply: AC Prestige 25. (I was going to reach 35k this year) (8) Preferred Airlines? Most common Airlines flown on? Reply: AC. Though I'm willing to switch. Thanks for you help!! |
Hi, I was wondering if someone could point me to what might be the best program for me.
(1) What is most important to you in a FFP? Probably mileage accrual and ability to redeem award tickets for TATL Y or J. (2) How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class? How many flights/sectors? Usually around 15,000-30,000 with all BIS miles considered, but I split it among different carriers and programs. (3) What types of fares do you usually buy? Typically Y and I'll buy E+/exit row/whatever you call it about 90% of the time. Occasionally I'll buy domestic F, but that's only if the upsell over Y/E+/C+ is small. (4) Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure? Almost all pleasure (5) Which routes and airlines do you fly most often? In a calendar year, typically a lot of US west coast domestic (under two hours), usually one TATL trip, and within the TATL trip, one or two Euro shorthaul legs. As for airlines, UA was my #1 choice until 2015, when I switched a lot to AS when I briefly lived in the PNW, though I credited AS to my AF/KL FB account. A few thousand were credited to an AA account by mistake. Since moving to LAX last year, most of my segments (half) have been on DL and credited to AF, but then still roughly equal parts UA, AS, and WN here and there. (6) What is your home airport? LAX for now, with a lot back and forth LAX-DEN (7) Do you have FFP status of any kind in OW or other airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP? Was UA 2P ages ago. I may hit silver in AF FB based on segments this year if I really start flying almost exclusively DL. Currently I have: AA: 2,700 miles (I redeemed a few for magazines a while ago) IB: presumably nothing left over from when I took a few VY legs. I have the Chase Sapphire, so I suppose BA Avios would be a logical one for me to choose. I'm not familiar with Avios, but it looks like a scam to my eyes, and I can't imagine I'd ever want to redeem a TATL ticket on BA Avios over AF/DL or UA. (8) Preferred Airlines? Most common Airlines flown on? Guess I've already answered this. Most of my flying in the past has been on UA and Star, but recently I've preferred DL. TL;DR: Really, what I'm looking for is a place to park miles accrued in the few times a year I fly on oneworld. I don't really fly AA/BA/etc. all that much, and I fly AS less now, and I credit AS to AF right now as it is. I'm leaning toward AA or AS' programs, even if none of it ever really amounts to much more than magazine and gift card redemptions. I can't imagine I'd ever make AA my preferred carrier anytime soon, though I will be booking a ticket with them next month. Should I stick with crediting to AA, or start with AS as a oneworld+AS+VX plan to catch any of that odd flying I do, or should I choose BA Avios? Essentially, which program would get me the most RDMs for flying Y LAX-SEA/DEN/PDX on AA (and possibly) AS metal? Thanks in advance for your help! |
Originally Posted by char777
(Post 28171644)
Hi, I was wondering if someone could point me to what might be the best program for me.
(1) What is most important to you in a FFP? Probably mileage accrual and ability to redeem award tickets for TATL Y or J. (2) How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class? How many flights/sectors? Usually around 15,000-30,000 with all BIS miles considered, but I split it among different carriers and programs. (3) What types of fares do you usually buy? Typically Y and I'll buy E+/exit row/whatever you call it about 90% of the time. Occasionally I'll buy domestic F, but that's only if the upsell over Y/E+/C+ is small. (4) Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure? Almost all pleasure (5) Which routes and airlines do you fly most often? In a calendar year, typically a lot of US west coast domestic (under two hours), usually one TATL trip, and within the TATL trip, one or two Euro shorthaul legs. As for airlines, UA was my #1 choice until 2015, when I switched a lot to AS when I briefly lived in the PNW, though I credited AS to my AF/KL FB account. A few thousand were credited to an AA account by mistake. Since moving to LAX last year, most of my segments (half) have been on DL and credited to AF, but then still roughly equal parts UA, AS, and WN here and there. (6) What is your home airport? LAX for now, with a lot back and forth LAX-DEN (7) Do you have FFP status of any kind in OW or other airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP? Was UA 2P ages ago. I may hit silver in AF FB based on segments this year if I really start flying almost exclusively DL. Currently I have: AA: 2,700 miles (I redeemed a few for magazines a while ago) IB: presumably nothing left over from when I took a few VY legs. I have the Chase Sapphire, so I suppose BA Avios would be a logical one for me to choose. I'm not familiar with Avios, but it looks like a scam to my eyes, and I can't imagine I'd ever want to redeem a TATL ticket on BA Avios over AF/DL or UA. (8) Preferred Airlines? Most common Airlines flown on? Guess I've already answered this. Most of my flying in the past has been on UA and Star, but recently I've preferred DL. TL;DR: Really, what I'm looking for is a place to park miles accrued in the few times a year I fly on oneworld. I don't really fly AA/BA/etc. all that much, and I fly AS less now, and I credit AS to AF right now as it is. I'm leaning toward AA or AS' programs, even if none of it ever really amounts to much more than magazine and gift card redemptions. I can't imagine I'd ever make AA my preferred carrier anytime soon, though I will be booking a ticket with them next month. Should I stick with crediting to AA, or start with AS as a oneworld+AS+VX plan to catch any of that odd flying I do, or should I choose BA Avios? Essentially, which program would get me the most RDMs for flying Y LAX-SEA/DEN/PDX on AA (and possibly) AS metal? Thanks in advance for your help! |
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