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Old Feb 2, 2012 | 4:40 pm
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End of Canadian Exception

I just got off the phone with AA RTW desk while changing my DONE3 ticket, and to my surprise, the agent informed me that they were closing the Canada loophole in the next 60 days if he had to guess.

I havent heard other anywhere else, has any heard anything about this or can confirm?

If its true, I need to book my ex-KRT RTW soon!
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Old Feb 2, 2012 | 4:43 pm
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If true (and I've heard comparable - not the same, but comparable in scope) comments from the RTW desk before, which came to naught - then it would sound like OW is putting a lot of emphasis on the online booking tool. That's unfortunate as long as the tool is as buggy as it seems.
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Old Feb 2, 2012 | 6:54 pm
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Hope it does not come to past. May have to rush and book a RTW before it shuts down.
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Old Feb 2, 2012 | 9:10 pm
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Isn't the "Canadian Exception" because of a legal requirement in Canada?
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Old Feb 2, 2012 | 11:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Himeno
Isn't the "Canadian Exception" because of a legal requirement in Canada?
That was my understanding as well.
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Old Feb 5, 2012 | 8:06 am
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What is this "Canadian Exception" that all of you are referring to?
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Old Feb 5, 2012 | 9:00 am
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Originally Posted by teemuflyer
What is this "Canadian Exception" that all of you are referring to?
When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale.
Exception: Not applicable for sales made and/or travel originating in Canada or when BOTH travel originates and sales are made within the European Common Aviation Area (ECAA)/Switzerland.
eg: If I am buying a ticket in Australia (country of sale) for travel starting in Japan (country of origin), I would ideally pay the Japan price converted to AUD. However, as the Australia price is more then the Japan price, I instead have to pay the Australian price.

The "Canadian Exception" voids that - if the country of sale for the same ticket was Canada instead of Australia, I would pay the JPY price converted to CAD.

In 2010, I booked a DONE3 departing Tokyo from Australia via the online tool. I paid the the Japan price in JPY.
Early in 2011, some bugs popped up in the online tools booking system related to different systems talking to each other (eg, Amadeus and Sabre) which prevented a booking from completing. As a result, I was unable to book my 2011 DONE3 (departing Korea) via the tool. I instead had to make use of a travel agent in Canada to process the booking and I paid the KRW price converted into CAD (which my bank then converted to AUD).

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Originally Posted by Himeno
eg: If I am buying a ticket in Australia (country of sale) for travel starting in Japan (country of origin), I would ideally pay the Japan price converted to AUD. However, as the Australia price is more then the Japan price, I instead have to pay the Australian price.

The "Canadian Exception" voids that - if the country of sale for the same ticket was Canada instead of Australia, I would pay the JPY price converted to CAD.

In 2010, I booked a DONE3 departing Tokyo from Australia via the online tool. I paid the the Japan price in JPY.
Early in 2011, some bugs popped up in the online tools booking system related to different systems talking to each other (eg, Amadeus and Sabre) which prevented a booking from completing. As a result, I was unable to book my 2011 DONE3 (departing Korea) via the tool. I instead had to make use of a travel agent in Canada to process the booking and I paid the KRW price converted into CAD (which my bank then converted to AUD).
Thanks for the explanation.
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Old Feb 12, 2012 | 8:11 pm
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It may be a rule, but it can be changed.

Airlines like *A, used to have this ruling but they changed it. So did other RTW fares. So ultimately, that may be the case for OW too.
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Old Feb 12, 2012 | 8:51 pm
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Originally Posted by Guy Betsy
It may be a rule, but it can be changed.

Airlines like *A, used to have this ruling but they changed it. So did other RTW fares. So ultimately, that may be the case for OW too.
I don't know the history of the *A rules for RTW tickets
but the current rules simply make no mention of country of sale vs country of origin - so one always pays the country of origin price, and no need for the Canada or Europe exceptions
(and I believe ST RTW rules are similar)
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 4:53 am
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Originally Posted by pandaperth
I don't know the history of the *A rules for RTW tickets
but the current rules simply make no mention of country of sale vs country of origin - so one always pays the country of origin price, and no need for the Canada or Europe exceptions
(and I believe ST RTW rules are similar)
So basically, making the Canada exception apply across the world?

Previously, to quote an earlier example, I buy in Australia ex Japan, I pay the Australia price even though Japan is cheaper, even though leaving from Japan. (This is morally wrong).

Canada exception allowed me to purchase in Canafa ex-Japan at ex-Japan rates. (This is morally right).

If there is no longer a mention of country of sale vs country of origin, is there finally a recognition that we have a global economy, and that it doesn't matter where we buy our tickets from?

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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 5:20 am
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But to be honest its such a stupid rule given (in most countries) you can just call up a travel agent (or a well know oneworld airline) and book from the country of origin without an issue.
In fact just did this today.
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 5:27 am
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Originally Posted by moa999
But to be honest its such a stupid rule given (in most countries) you can just call up a travel agent (or a well know oneworld airline) and book from the country of origin without an issue.
In fact just did this today.
It's a bit tricky when the country in question is Sudan or Saudi Arabia.

Personally I'm more comfortable with directly booking with an airline like AA rather than through an agent as subsequent ticketing changes are so much easier.
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 5:32 am
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Originally Posted by tauphi
Personally I'm more comfortable with directly booking with an airline like AA rather than through an agent as subsequent ticketing changes are so much easier.
So am I - and these days, it is ridiculously easy to circumvent point-of-sale rules, it isn't funny.

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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 5:33 am
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Originally Posted by thadocta
So basically, making the Canada exception apply across the world?
It does appear so

Here's the relevant text from the *A ticket rules (source KVS):
WHEN TRAVEL ORIGINATES IN ONE COUNTRY AND THE TICKET IS SOLD IN ANOTHER COUNTRY THE FARE WILL BE THAT APPLICABLE FROM THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN CONVERTED TO THE CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY OF SALE AT THE BANKERS SELLING RATE.
And no rider like the OneWorld Explorer ticket has, namely:
THE RESULTANT FARE MUST NOT BE LOWER THAN FROM THE COUNTRY OF SALE.
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