Multi Continent Circle Trip Explorer
Dec 31, 2010 | 1:23 am
#16
Join Date: Mar 2008
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See rule 4H
You have 5 flight segments in the South West Pacific. You are allowed 4 free flight segments per continent, and can purchase up to two additional flight segments percontinent at the rates shown in the rules.
Since your 5th segment is MEL-SYD, and the cost of purchasing an additional economy segment is USD150 (USD400 for business) - it will be far cheaper for you to not buy this, and instead make you own way MEL-SYD on a separate ticket.
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An 'off the wall' idea if you are serious about maximising miles:
Shell out an extra ZAR4,500 and purchase the 4-continent circle trip; start it with CPT-LHR-MEL...
Dec 31, 2010 | 1:55 am
#17
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I very much appreciate all the feed back in here.
I just spoke to QF.
CPT-JNB-HKG-SIN-SYD-MEL-BNE-MEL-SYD-JNB is R47500.00 (give or take a bit) which includes all the fee's, taxes, surcharges etc.
JNB-SYD-MEL-SYD-JNB is R48003.00
So there is the answer.
I just spoke to QF.
CPT-JNB-HKG-SIN-SYD-MEL-BNE-MEL-SYD-JNB is R47500.00 (give or take a bit) which includes all the fee's, taxes, surcharges etc.
JNB-SYD-MEL-SYD-JNB is R48003.00
So there is the answer.
Last edited by 747-444; Dec 31, 2010 at 8:18 am
Jan 1, 2011 | 7:52 pm
#18
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I recently did one SYD-SFO-FRA-JNB-SYD and it came in around AUD$6500 all up. Got me a stop over in each of these cities. My real target was JNB and it was a great way to top up my QF and UA points whilst coming in under anything OW could offer
Jan 3, 2011 | 11:57 pm
#19
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Might be worth checking the LH Z class fare (Business). Not sure how it stacks up with a JNB origin though.
I recently did one SYD-SFO-FRA-JNB-SYD and it came in around AUD$6500 all up. Got me a stop over in each of these cities. My real target was JNB and it was a great way to top up my QF and UA points whilst coming in under anything OW could offer
I recently did one SYD-SFO-FRA-JNB-SYD and it came in around AUD$6500 all up. Got me a stop over in each of these cities. My real target was JNB and it was a great way to top up my QF and UA points whilst coming in under anything OW could offer
Jan 30, 2012 | 1:04 am
#20
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What, then, is the go with the USD4167 ex-Manila on the excellent tool constructed by the AFF member whose name escapes me?
When I spoke with QF I was asking for the fares for the DONE4 and DONEWC4 ex-Manila. Is it possible the DONEWC4 ex-Manila fare is actually USD4167 (base) and that QF just quoted me the ex-Australia price?
Jan 30, 2012 | 1:37 am
#21
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The 3rd party downloadable tools/websites used data pulled from the oneworld website. That data has been removed. As such the information on those tools/websites are out of date. The only way to get current prices now are from the airline/TA or the base price from somewhere like EF or KVS.
current prices (before tax, USD)
DONE4/DONEWC4
ex-MNL 11346
ex-SYD 12629
An LONE4/LONEWC4 ex-MNL is 4167USD and DAS13 (Circle Asia 13000 mile limit) is 4385USD.
current prices (before tax, USD)
DONE4/DONEWC4
ex-MNL 11346
ex-SYD 12629
An LONE4/LONEWC4 ex-MNL is 4167USD and DAS13 (Circle Asia 13000 mile limit) is 4385USD.
Jan 30, 2012 | 1:39 am
#22
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I didn't think it was but QF just quoted me exactly that - DONE4 (oneworld Explorer four continents in Business) and DONEWC4 (oneworld Circle Trip Explorer four continents in Business) as identical in price.
What, then, is the go with the USD4167 ex-Manila on the excellent tool constructed by the AFF member whose name escapes me?
When I spoke with QF I was asking for the fares for the DONE4 and DONEWC4 ex-Manila. Is it possible the DONEWC4 ex-Manila fare is actually USD4167 (base) and that QF just quoted me the ex-Australia price?
What, then, is the go with the USD4167 ex-Manila on the excellent tool constructed by the AFF member whose name escapes me?
When I spoke with QF I was asking for the fares for the DONE4 and DONEWC4 ex-Manila. Is it possible the DONEWC4 ex-Manila fare is actually USD4167 (base) and that QF just quoted me the ex-Australia price?
When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale.
So if you ask Qantas, in Australia to quote you a fare ex-The Piliipines, you will be quoted the higher of the two fares (the Phillipines and the Australian fares). And the higher in both cases is the Australian fare.
For the DONE4 you can use the on-line tool to book and get the ex-Phillipines price
But there is no on-line tool for the DONEWC4 - so to get the ex-Phillipines price, you have to purchase though an agent there
Jan 30, 2012 | 2:04 am
#23
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Thank you both.
I thought I was on a winner with a cheap DONEWC4 but apparently not.
I did call CX first (being a carrier that services MNL). The agent insisted that there was no way she could give me the base (ex-taxes) fare without a valid itinerary first.
I thought I was on a winner with a cheap DONEWC4 but apparently not.
I did call CX first (being a carrier that services MNL). The agent insisted that there was no way she could give me the base (ex-taxes) fare without a valid itinerary first.
Jan 30, 2012 | 2:36 am
#24
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Base business class Oneworld fares ex-MNL
[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.3/Diamond - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/US]
[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.3/Diamond - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/US]
Code:
MNL Manila Ninoy Aquino Intl PH [RPLL] RTW 01 Mar 2012 | 01 Oct 2012 | Business Carrier From To Fare Cur Fare Basis/TD --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------- CX MNL MNL 189766 PHP DAS13 CX MNL MNL 218111 PHP DAS17 CX MNL MNL 235984 PHP DCIR22 CX MNL MNL 287916 PHP DCIR26 CX MNL MNL 306784 PHP DCIR29SA CX MNL MNL 491010 PHP DGLOB34 CX MNL MNL 430467 PHP DONE3 CX MNL MNL 491010 PHP DONE4 CX MNL MNL 528747 PHP DONE5 CX MNL MNL 584443 PHP DONE6 CX MNL MNL 430467 PHP DONEWC3 CX MNL MNL 491010 PHP DONEWC4
Jan 30, 2012 | 3:13 am
#25
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The 3rd party downloadable tools/websites used data pulled from the oneworld website. That data has been removed. As such the information on those tools/websites are out of date. The only way to get current prices now are from the airline/TA or the base price from somewhere like EF or KVS. ...
As per the link in danger's post, there is a great up-to-date resource available:
RTW Fares Comparison
Mar 19, 2012 | 2:17 am
#26
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I never considered a Circle Trip Explorer, because it's basically an xONEx without the Americas, and we like to start somewhere cheap and include a few stops in North America, including at home. But, I'm in need of ~30k miles in D and have been hunting for an ex-JNB DONE4 or ex-TLV DONE3 that could take me to fun beachy places, and either all of the overnight flights are nice for a solo flyer (e.g., CX, BA on 747 upstairs, or AA upgraded to F), or I could get a reasonable award ticket for a friend to cone along.
I was thinking jnb-lhr-lax-dfw-mia-cur-mia-lax-hkg-hkt-hkg-jnb, which prices at $6887 on-line. But this thread has be thinking about a DONEWC4 ex-Manila for under $5k! I'd have to include Australia/New Zealand, and QF are awful for solo flyers (no privacy, lousy wedgie seats) but maybe those could be daytime or maybe there is award space.
Maybe AKL in Dec or Jan instead of CUR?
Is there an agent in Manila who can sell these by fax/email? I assume no chance of AA RTW desk taking it over, since they're not a carrier?
I was thinking jnb-lhr-lax-dfw-mia-cur-mia-lax-hkg-hkt-hkg-jnb, which prices at $6887 on-line. But this thread has be thinking about a DONEWC4 ex-Manila for under $5k! I'd have to include Australia/New Zealand, and QF are awful for solo flyers (no privacy, lousy wedgie seats) but maybe those could be daytime or maybe there is award space.
Maybe AKL in Dec or Jan instead of CUR?
Is there an agent in Manila who can sell these by fax/email? I assume no chance of AA RTW desk taking it over, since they're not a carrier?
Last edited by anabolism; Mar 19, 2012 at 11:14 pm Reason: Add correct code for Phuket
Mar 20, 2012 | 4:46 pm
#27
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I found a BA page listing a GSA in Manila:
If this itinerary works and if taxes and fees aren't crazy, it sounds amazing. Great Circle Mapper shows 35,571 miles and EF says $$4167 base: mnl-hkg-hkt-hkg-bne-bme-syd-lhr-jnb-hkg-mnl
Euro-Philippines Airline Services, Inc.
135 Filipino Building
Delarosa Street, Legaspi Village
Makati City, Philippines
Tel: +632 817 0361 or +632 817 0364
Fax: +632 819 0410 or +632 815 6433
[email protected] 08:30 - 17:30
Monday - Friday
Also confirmed with AA RTW that they won't touch these. I'll try emailing them to ask about setting up a ticket and issuing it remotely, via email and fax. It would be terrific to hear from anyone who has done this. It sounds like an amazing deal, cheaper even than a DONE4 ex-KRT, and much safer and easier. Why is there so little discussion on FT? You'd think people would be all over this deal.135 Filipino Building
Delarosa Street, Legaspi Village
Makati City, Philippines
Tel: +632 817 0361 or +632 817 0364
Fax: +632 819 0410 or +632 815 6433
[email protected] 08:30 - 17:30
Monday - Friday
If this itinerary works and if taxes and fees aren't crazy, it sounds amazing. Great Circle Mapper shows 35,571 miles and EF says $$4167 base: mnl-hkg-hkt-hkg-bne-bme-syd-lhr-jnb-hkg-mnl
Mar 20, 2012 | 4:59 pm
#28
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I found a BA page listing a GSA in Manila:
If this itinerary works and if taxes and fees aren't crazy, it sounds amazing. Great Circle Mapper shows 35,571 miles and EF says $$4167 base: mnl-hkg-hkt-hkg-bne-bme-syd-lhr-jnb-hkg-mnl
Euro-Philippines Airline Services, Inc.
135 Filipino Building
Delarosa Street, Legaspi Village
Makati City, Philippines
Tel: +632 817 0361 or +632 817 0364
Fax: +632 819 0410 or +632 815 6433
[email protected] 08:30 - 17:30
Monday - Friday
Also confirmed with AA RTW that they won't touch these. I'll try emailing them to ask about setting up a ticket and issuing it remotely, via email and fax. It would be terrific to hear from anyone who has done this. It sounds like an amazing deal, cheaper even than a DONE4 ex-KRT, and much safer and easier. Why is there so little discussion on FT? You'd think people would be all over this deal.135 Filipino Building
Delarosa Street, Legaspi Village
Makati City, Philippines
Tel: +632 817 0361 or +632 817 0364
Fax: +632 819 0410 or +632 815 6433
[email protected] 08:30 - 17:30
Monday - Friday
If this itinerary works and if taxes and fees aren't crazy, it sounds amazing. Great Circle Mapper shows 35,571 miles and EF says $$4167 base: mnl-hkg-hkt-hkg-bne-bme-syd-lhr-jnb-hkg-mnl
Mar 20, 2012 | 5:55 pm
#29
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Results from ExpertFlyer.com
Code:
Fare Information Search:
Departing MNL on 03/20/12 for MNL
Flying BA on booking class D
Viewing in currency USD
Validated Results
Fare Basis Airline Booking Trip Type Fare Cabin Effective Expiration Min/Max Advanced
Class Date Date Stay Purchase Req
DONEWC3 BA D Round-Trip 3638.00 (USD) B 10 / 12M
DONEWC4 BA D Round-Trip 4167.00 (USD) B 10 / 12M
DAS13 BA D Round-Trip 4385.00 (USD) B 03 / 12M
DAS17 BA D Round-Trip 5040.00 (USD) B 03 / 12M
DCIR22 BA D Round-Trip 5453.00 (USD) B 05 / 12M 07
DCIR26 BA D Round-Trip 6653.00 (USD) B 05 / 12M 07
DCIR29SA BA D Round-Trip 7089.00 (USD) B 05 / 12M 07
DONE3 BA D Round-Trip 9947.00 (USD) B 10 / 12M
DGLOB34 BA D Round-Trip 11346.00 (USD) B 10 / 12M
DONE4 BA D Round-Trip 11346.00 (USD) B 10 / 12M
DONE5 BA D Round-Trip 12218.00 (USD) B 10 / 12M
DONE6 BA D Round-Trip 13505.00 (USD) B 10 / 12M
The KVS table above shows a DONEWC4 costing more than a DONE4, while my EF query shows a DONEWC4 as much less expensive. Very odd, since one would expect the relative cost difference to be accurate even if the currency conversion is incorrect.
Mar 20, 2012 | 6:09 pm
#30
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The KVS table above shows a DONEWC4 costing more than a DONE4, while my EF query shows a DONEWC4 as much less expensive. Very odd, since one would expect the relative cost difference to be accurate even if the currency conversion is incorrect.
Results from ExpertFlyer.com
Code:
Fare Information Search:
Departing MNL on 03/20/12 for MNL
Flying CX on booking class D
Viewing in currency USD
Validated Results
Fare Basis Airline Booking Trip Type Fare Cabin Effective Expiration Min/Max Advanced
Class Date Date Stay Purchase Req
DAS13 CX D Round-Trip 4385.00 (USD) B 03 / 12M
DAS17 CX D Round-Trip 5040.00 (USD) B 03 / 12M
DCIR22 CX D Round-Trip 5453.00 (USD) B 05 / 12M 07
DCIR26 CX D Round-Trip 6653.00 (USD) B 05 / 12M 07
DCIR29SA CX D Round-Trip 7089.00 (USD) B 05 / 12M 07
DONE3 CX D Round-Trip 9947.00 (USD) B 10 / 12M
DONEWC3 CX D Round-Trip 9947.00 (USD) B 10 / 12M
DGLOB34 CX D Round-Trip 11346.00 (USD) B 10 / 12M
DONE4 CX D Round-Trip 11346.00 (USD) B 10 / 12M
DONEWC4 CX D Round-Trip 11346.00 (USD) B 10 / 12M
DONE5 CX D Round-Trip 12218.00 (USD) B 10 / 12M
DONE6 CX D Round-Trip 13505.00 (USD) B 10 / 12M