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#2507
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Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Juneau, Alaska.
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#2508
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: BOS/UTH
Programs: AA LT PLT; QR GLD; Bonvoy LT TIT
Posts: 12,757
On a DONEx ticket issued by AA, changes of date and itinerary depend on when you want to make the change and what you want to change, i.e., Before the first flight? After the first flight? Change itinerary, -- Changes to cities? Continents?
#2509
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: MEL CHC
Posts: 21,030
Help with optimizing BA tier points and status traveling from USA to Australia
Finally getting to seriously travel since before the pandemic. I'm traveling with SO and we now have a 4 yr old. In May we are planning travel from NYC to SYD and right now the cheapest fairs are on AA metal. We always credit this to BA (we fly BA to Europe and Asia) and are looking for tips to optimize tier points to climb back to silver after dropping to blue this year. I've seen a lot of articles out there with cheap cash upgrades on AA flights (https://viewfromthewing.com/american...onal-upgrades/, https://onemileatatime.com/guides/am..._paid_upgrades), especially long haul. Right now the round trip is ~1400 USD in economy and ~3000 USD in premium economy. There is also a flight options on Qantas, but I'm unfamiliar with the upgrade process with Qantas.
My questions are the following:
1. If we book in economy and hopefully score one of these offers, does this confer upgraded tier points in BAEC? The second article linked above says no, but I want to ask people's experience.
2. Any experience with upgrades on Qantas to optimize tier points for BAEC?
3. Do you have any suggestions about how to maximize this long trip for tier points (upcoming sales etc)?
My questions are the following:
1. If we book in economy and hopefully score one of these offers, does this confer upgraded tier points in BAEC? The second article linked above says no, but I want to ask people's experience.
2. Any experience with upgrades on Qantas to optimize tier points for BAEC?
3. Do you have any suggestions about how to maximize this long trip for tier points (upcoming sales etc)?
The chances of 3 upgrades USA<--->AU are very low. A popular route for AA freq flyers to upgrade with SWU or AA ff miles/cash co payment.
QF upgrades are a lottery.
QF forum thread--> Bid Now Upgrade Success Stories
https://www.qantas.com/au/en/manage-...g/upgrade.html
https://www.qantas.com/au/en/manage-...w-upgrade.html
OW with AA & QF are trialling a cross airline upgrade scheme. But you are BAEC people.
Oneworld alliance-wide upgrades
To maximise BAEC tier points need to change flights(flight numbers) on the trip. Can come at a cost and more travel time
QF flys JFK-(AKL)-SYD as one flight number, so poor for BAEC TP collection. Will be priced at a premium.
AA will be NYC-LAX-SYD, so more flight numbers.
If you fly say NYC-SFO/LAX/DFW-MEL/BNE then on to SYD will get/may get more BAEC TP.
- American Airlines AA LAX-SYD. DFW-BNE from 27 Oct 2024 - Mar 2025(new route) [OneWorld Alliance]
- Fiji Airways FJ LAX SFO HNL YVR– NAN - BNE SYD CBR MEL ADL. (OneWorld Alliance connect.)
- Qantas QF LAX SFO DFW HNL YVR* - SYD; LAX - BNE; LAX DFW - MEL. {* seasonal}. SYD-AKL-JFK from 14 June 2023. [OneWorld Alliance]
#2510
Join Date: Mar 2023
Posts: 78
Thanks. Another question if my current booking is SCL -> xMIA -> LAX. If my origin and destination are same, can I just change the flight to SCL -> xDFW -> LAX without $125 charge after my first flight? Similar for SAW -> DOH to IST -> DOH?
#2511
Join Date: Mar 2023
Posts: 78
Jerry's right (as usual, -- he's one of the more experienced xONEx people here). Judging from the font and color, I'd say that this table is from QR. It applies to point-to-point tickets sold and marketed by QR.
On a DONEx ticket issued by AA, changes of date and itinerary depend on when you want to make the change and what you want to change, i.e., Before the first flight? After the first flight? Change itinerary, -- Changes to cities? Continents?
On a DONEx ticket issued by AA, changes of date and itinerary depend on when you want to make the change and what you want to change, i.e., Before the first flight? After the first flight? Change itinerary, -- Changes to cities? Continents?
#2512
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: MEL CHC
Posts: 21,030
Your questions are better asked in one of the dedicated RTW *ONE* threads
Oneworld booking and pricing experiences
OW does not define origin and destination like that. Every sector has an origin and a destination. That, for you, some are transit and others a stopover (>24hrs) is generally irrelevant to the RTW rules. But, as the rules, must have some stopovers. So a change of route (,e.g. MIA to DFW) will invoke the $125 fee and a recalculation of real taxes and carrier surcharges. These will vary with route.
Can do. Do you want to change the date of the first flight?
Look in the other *ONE* threads.
Oneworld booking and pricing experiences
Look in the other *ONE* threads.
#2513
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NRT / HND
Programs: AA EXP, NH Plat, Former UA 1K
Posts: 5,672
OW does not define origin and destination like that. Every sector has an origin and a destination. That, for you, some are transit and others a stopover (>24hrs) is generally irrelevant to the RTW rules. But, as the rules, must have some stopovers. So a change of route (,e.g. MIA to DFW) will invoke the $125 fee and a recalculation of real taxes and carrier surcharges. These will vary with route.
@ slhu82, if you do get a chance to make that change, do it. DFW is a million times more pleasant of an arrival experience into the US than MIA. Most of the time I'm though immigration at DFW in 10 minutes or less. You're not going to get that at MIA, it's an absolute zoo.
#2514
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: London (~75% of the year).
Programs: AA PPro
Posts: 477
CX did not charge me on a recent change doing something similar. I changed MNL-xHKG-TYO (HND) to MNL-xKUL-TYO (NRT) and they did not charge me. I also changed a DOH transit to a stopover at the same time and they also didn't charge me. So I'd say "it depends", expect to pay the $125 fee (I certainly was expecting to) but you might get lucky.
#2515
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NRT / HND
Programs: AA EXP, NH Plat, Former UA 1K
Posts: 5,672
Note you are also charged or refunded any changes in taxes/surcharges. This can reduce the $125 charged though never below $0. I think MH charge less yq/yr than CX, especially on transits, so I suspect you were charged a $125 admin fee but this was more than offset by a reduction in yq/qr. Hence the overall charge was 0.
Actually just double checked and compared my original ticket to the new one with the change in routing, my total YR on the new and original ticket is exactly the same, 50,490 JPY. They also didn't remove the HKG taxes, but I don't care because it's still far less than $125.
#2516
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: London (~75% of the year).
Programs: AA PPro
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#2517
Join Date: Oct 2012
Programs: AA
Posts: 313
I feel kinda stupid to ask this but it seems like no clear rule after reading some posts about change fees, so please bear with me. So I booked a ticket with QF, and assuming I take the first leg and want to change. I am curious about the fees associated with it.
1. Simple date change without changing routes or airlines: Do I have to pay 125USD? Technically, this should not trigger the repricing even before the first leg, correct?
2. Changing the airlines on the same route such as from BA to AA on LON-JFK. Do I pay 125? also I am guessing fuel charges will be adjusted, so there could be an increase or decrease in 125?
3. Changing the transit point without changing the start and end, such from transit in HKG with CX, change the ticket to direct with JL on TYO-LON route. I understand some airlines charge 125, some do not, is that correct? Will it create repricing after the first leg? Either way, the fuel and tax charges will be adjusted if I understand correctly. What if I don't pay the fee and the taxes go down? Will I get a refund?
4. Changing either start or end point of a flight within the rule limit. Ex: change TYO-LON to TYO-PAR. My understanding is that will incur 125 for sure but how about repricing?
5. Changing from Y to J. Suppose Z or D class was not available at the time of booking and the online platform gives only economy class. After the first leg, let's say D becomes available. If I upgrade to D from Y, do I have to pay the fare difference? I am talking about just one leg of the entire RTW ticket.
1. Simple date change without changing routes or airlines: Do I have to pay 125USD? Technically, this should not trigger the repricing even before the first leg, correct?
2. Changing the airlines on the same route such as from BA to AA on LON-JFK. Do I pay 125? also I am guessing fuel charges will be adjusted, so there could be an increase or decrease in 125?
3. Changing the transit point without changing the start and end, such from transit in HKG with CX, change the ticket to direct with JL on TYO-LON route. I understand some airlines charge 125, some do not, is that correct? Will it create repricing after the first leg? Either way, the fuel and tax charges will be adjusted if I understand correctly. What if I don't pay the fee and the taxes go down? Will I get a refund?
4. Changing either start or end point of a flight within the rule limit. Ex: change TYO-LON to TYO-PAR. My understanding is that will incur 125 for sure but how about repricing?
5. Changing from Y to J. Suppose Z or D class was not available at the time of booking and the online platform gives only economy class. After the first leg, let's say D becomes available. If I upgrade to D from Y, do I have to pay the fare difference? I am talking about just one leg of the entire RTW ticket.
#2518
Join Date: Mar 2023
Posts: 78
I feel kinda stupid to ask this but it seems like no clear rule after reading some posts about change fees, so please bear with me. So I booked a ticket with QF, and assuming I take the first leg and want to change. I am curious about the fees associated with it.
1. Simple date change without changing routes or airlines: Do I have to pay 125USD? Technically, this should not trigger the repricing even before the first leg, correct?
2. Changing the airlines on the same route such as from BA to AA on LON-JFK. Do I pay 125? also I am guessing fuel charges will be adjusted, so there could be an increase or decrease in 125?
3. Changing the transit point without changing the start and end, such from transit in HKG with CX, change the ticket to direct with JL on TYO-LON route. I understand some airlines charge 125, some do not, is that correct? Will it create repricing after the first leg? Either way, the fuel and tax charges will be adjusted if I understand correctly. What if I don't pay the fee and the taxes go down? Will I get a refund?
4. Changing either start or end point of a flight within the rule limit. Ex: change TYO-LON to TYO-PAR. My understanding is that will incur 125 for sure but how about repricing?
5. Changing from Y to J. Suppose Z or D class was not available at the time of booking and the online platform gives only economy class. After the first leg, let's say D becomes available. If I upgrade to D from Y, do I have to pay the fare difference? I am talking about just one leg of the entire RTW ticket.
1. Simple date change without changing routes or airlines: Do I have to pay 125USD? Technically, this should not trigger the repricing even before the first leg, correct?
2. Changing the airlines on the same route such as from BA to AA on LON-JFK. Do I pay 125? also I am guessing fuel charges will be adjusted, so there could be an increase or decrease in 125?
3. Changing the transit point without changing the start and end, such from transit in HKG with CX, change the ticket to direct with JL on TYO-LON route. I understand some airlines charge 125, some do not, is that correct? Will it create repricing after the first leg? Either way, the fuel and tax charges will be adjusted if I understand correctly. What if I don't pay the fee and the taxes go down? Will I get a refund?
4. Changing either start or end point of a flight within the rule limit. Ex: change TYO-LON to TYO-PAR. My understanding is that will incur 125 for sure but how about repricing?
5. Changing from Y to J. Suppose Z or D class was not available at the time of booking and the online platform gives only economy class. After the first leg, let's say D becomes available. If I upgrade to D from Y, do I have to pay the fare difference? I am talking about just one leg of the entire RTW ticket.
call them once and make all changes together
#2519
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: MEL CHC
Posts: 21,030
I feel kinda stupid to ask this but it seems like no clear rule after reading some posts about change fees, so please bear with me. So I booked a ticket with QF, and assuming I take the first leg and want to change. I am curious about the fees associated with it.
1. Simple date change without changing routes or airlines: Do I have to pay 125USD? Technically, this should not trigger the repricing even before the first leg, correct?
2. Changing the airlines on the same route such as from BA to AA on LON-JFK. Do I pay 125? also I am guessing fuel charges will be adjusted, so there could be an increase or decrease in 125?
3. Changing the transit point without changing the start and end, such from transit in HKG with CX, change the ticket to direct with JL on TYO-LON route. I understand some airlines charge 125, some do not, is that correct? Will it create repricing after the first leg? Either way, the fuel and tax charges will be adjusted if I understand correctly. What if I don't pay the fee and the taxes go down? Will I get a refund?
4. Changing either start or end point of a flight within the rule limit. Ex: change TYO-LON to TYO-PAR. My understanding is that will incur 125 for sure but how about repricing?
5. Changing from Y to J. Suppose Z or D class was not available at the time of booking and the online platform gives only economy class. After the first leg, let's say D becomes available. If I upgrade to D from Y, do I have to pay the fare difference? I am talking about just one leg of the entire RTW ticket.
1. Simple date change without changing routes or airlines: Do I have to pay 125USD? Technically, this should not trigger the repricing even before the first leg, correct?
2. Changing the airlines on the same route such as from BA to AA on LON-JFK. Do I pay 125? also I am guessing fuel charges will be adjusted, so there could be an increase or decrease in 125?
3. Changing the transit point without changing the start and end, such from transit in HKG with CX, change the ticket to direct with JL on TYO-LON route. I understand some airlines charge 125, some do not, is that correct? Will it create repricing after the first leg? Either way, the fuel and tax charges will be adjusted if I understand correctly. What if I don't pay the fee and the taxes go down? Will I get a refund?
4. Changing either start or end point of a flight within the rule limit. Ex: change TYO-LON to TYO-PAR. My understanding is that will incur 125 for sure but how about repricing?
5. Changing from Y to J. Suppose Z or D class was not available at the time of booking and the online platform gives only economy class. After the first leg, let's say D becomes available. If I upgrade to D from Y, do I have to pay the fare difference? I am talking about just one leg of the entire RTW ticket.
Your questions are better asked in one of the dedicated RTW *ONE* threads
Oneworld booking and pricing experiences
OW does not define origin and destination like that. Every sector has an origin and a destination. That, for you, some are transit and others a stopover (>24hrs) is generally irrelevant to the RTW rules. But, as the rules, must have some stopovers. So a change of route (,e.g. MIA to DFW) will invoke the $125 fee and a recalculation of real taxes and carrier surcharges. These will vary with route.
Look in the other *ONE* threads.
Oneworld booking and pricing experiences
OW does not define origin and destination like that. Every sector has an origin and a destination. That, for you, some are transit and others a stopover (>24hrs) is generally irrelevant to the RTW rules. But, as the rules, must have some stopovers. So a change of route (,e.g. MIA to DFW) will invoke the $125 fee and a recalculation of real taxes and carrier surcharges. These will vary with route.
Look in the other *ONE* threads.
Last edited by Mwenenzi; Apr 12, 2024 at 11:31 pm
#2520
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: New York, NY
Programs: AA ExPl, DL PM, UA Silver, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Titanium, probably some others
Posts: 4,105
I feel kinda stupid to ask this but it seems like no clear rule after reading some posts about change fees, so please bear with me. So I booked a ticket with QF, and assuming I take the first leg and want to change. I am curious about the fees associated with it.
1. Simple date change without changing routes or airlines: Do I have to pay 125USD? Technically, this should not trigger the repricing even before the first leg, correct?
2. Changing the airlines on the same route such as from BA to AA on LON-JFK. Do I pay 125? also I am guessing fuel charges will be adjusted, so there could be an increase or decrease in 125?
3. Changing the transit point without changing the start and end, such from transit in HKG with CX, change the ticket to direct with JL on TYO-LON route. I understand some airlines charge 125, some do not, is that correct? Will it create repricing after the first leg? Either way, the fuel and tax charges will be adjusted if I understand correctly. What if I don't pay the fee and the taxes go down? Will I get a refund?
4. Changing either start or end point of a flight within the rule limit. Ex: change TYO-LON to TYO-PAR. My understanding is that will incur 125 for sure but how about repricing?
5. Changing from Y to J. Suppose Z or D class was not available at the time of booking and the online platform gives only economy class. After the first leg, let's say D becomes available. If I upgrade to D from Y, do I have to pay the fare difference? I am talking about just one leg of the entire RTW ticket.
1. Simple date change without changing routes or airlines: Do I have to pay 125USD? Technically, this should not trigger the repricing even before the first leg, correct?
2. Changing the airlines on the same route such as from BA to AA on LON-JFK. Do I pay 125? also I am guessing fuel charges will be adjusted, so there could be an increase or decrease in 125?
3. Changing the transit point without changing the start and end, such from transit in HKG with CX, change the ticket to direct with JL on TYO-LON route. I understand some airlines charge 125, some do not, is that correct? Will it create repricing after the first leg? Either way, the fuel and tax charges will be adjusted if I understand correctly. What if I don't pay the fee and the taxes go down? Will I get a refund?
4. Changing either start or end point of a flight within the rule limit. Ex: change TYO-LON to TYO-PAR. My understanding is that will incur 125 for sure but how about repricing?
5. Changing from Y to J. Suppose Z or D class was not available at the time of booking and the online platform gives only economy class. After the first leg, let's say D becomes available. If I upgrade to D from Y, do I have to pay the fare difference? I am talking about just one leg of the entire RTW ticket.
2) Most likely yes. Fuel charges would come into play.
3) This would be a $125 charge either way. You could theoretically get a refund, although unlikely.
4) After the first leg is flown, this would incur $125 fee, but no repricing.
5) This would be a change to the ticked and qualify for the $125 fee, but no fare difference.