Heads up! FB changes may affect WP
Jan 13, 2009 | 5:17 am
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Heads up! FB changes may affect WP
There are some drastic changes to the FB program as of April 1, 2009. The most notable one being the new mileage earning scheme for Y: FB members will earn 25%, 50%, 75% or 100% mileage, depending on the paid fare class. (Only the Y/B equivalent fare classes will earn 100% miles.) This will likely impact the WP program as well.
More details in THIS thread. For the detailed new mileage earnings see post #100.
We can only hope for the best....
More details in THIS thread. For the detailed new mileage earnings see post #100.
We can only hope for the best....
Jan 13, 2009 | 5:50 am
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Earning as per fare class was in force before and WP members didn't exactly earn plenty of miles by flying AF cheaply:
It was/is just a matter of time till it was extended to KL earning.
Effective September 1, 2007
Earning Banked Miles on Northwest-coded, Air France-operated flights
100% of actual miles flown (500-mile minimum)
50% mileage bonus for travel in P, F, J, C, I, Z
Elite Qualifying Northwest Fare Classes on Northwest-coded, Air France-operated flights
Elite Qualifying Miles at 150%: P, F, J, C, I, Z, Y, B
Elite Qualifying Miles at 100%: M, H, Q, V, L, T, K
Earning Banked Miles on Air France-coded, Air France-operated flights
100% of actual miles flown: Y, S, B, K, M, R, A, H, T, V, Q, W, E
50% of actual miles flown: G, U
25% of actual miles flown: N, L
50% mileage bonus for First/Business Class travel: P, F, J, C, D, I, Z
Elite Qualifying Air France Fare Classes on Air France-coded, Air France-operated
Elite Qualifying Miles at 150%: P, F, J, C, D, I, Z, Y, S
Elite Qualifying Miles at 100%: B, K, M, R, A, H, T, V, Q, W, E
Elite Qualifying Miles at 50%: G, U
Elite Qualifying Miles at 25%: N, L
Elite Qualifying Segments: P, F, J, C, D, I, Z, Y, S, A, B, M, K, H, T, R, V, Q, W, E, G, U, L, N
Earning Banked Miles on Northwest-coded, Air France-operated flights
100% of actual miles flown (500-mile minimum)
50% mileage bonus for travel in P, F, J, C, I, Z
Elite Qualifying Northwest Fare Classes on Northwest-coded, Air France-operated flights
Elite Qualifying Miles at 150%: P, F, J, C, I, Z, Y, B
Elite Qualifying Miles at 100%: M, H, Q, V, L, T, K
Earning Banked Miles on Air France-coded, Air France-operated flights
100% of actual miles flown: Y, S, B, K, M, R, A, H, T, V, Q, W, E
50% of actual miles flown: G, U
25% of actual miles flown: N, L
50% mileage bonus for First/Business Class travel: P, F, J, C, D, I, Z
Elite Qualifying Air France Fare Classes on Air France-coded, Air France-operated
Elite Qualifying Miles at 150%: P, F, J, C, D, I, Z, Y, S
Elite Qualifying Miles at 100%: B, K, M, R, A, H, T, V, Q, W, E
Elite Qualifying Miles at 50%: G, U
Elite Qualifying Miles at 25%: N, L
Elite Qualifying Segments: P, F, J, C, D, I, Z, Y, S, A, B, M, K, H, T, R, V, Q, W, E, G, U, L, N
Jan 13, 2009 | 6:02 am
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I highly doubt this will spread to North American, or even be wide spread in europe for that matter.
If anything somthing like this will acturally make they miles we already have more valueable, but if DL has its way, they'll just keep adding new ways to earn miles and make them worth less and less.
If anything somthing like this will acturally make they miles we already have more valueable, but if DL has its way, they'll just keep adding new ways to earn miles and make them worth less and less.
Jan 13, 2009 | 6:49 am
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clarification
What I meant by the heads-up is soon WP members may only earn some fraction of miles for flying AF or KL. Right now only really cheap AF fares earn 25%. (AFAIK the classes that earn 50% are only domestic AF flights.) ALL KL paid fares earn 100%. (I'm only talking about Y here.)
The impact? We may have to steer clear off AF or KL for TATL fligths and try to fly directly to EU cities rather than connecting in AMS or CDG.
The impact? We may have to steer clear off AF or KL for TATL fligths and try to fly directly to EU cities rather than connecting in AMS or CDG.
Jan 13, 2009 | 7:21 am
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There are some drastic changes to the FB program as of April 1, 2009. The most notable one being the new mileage earning scheme for Y: FB members will earn 25%, 50%, 75% or 100% mileage, depending on the paid fare class. (Only the Y/B equivalent fare classes will earn 100% miles.) This will likely impact the WP program as well.
More details in THIS thread. For the detailed new mileage earnings see post #100.
We can only hope for the best....
More details in THIS thread. For the detailed new mileage earnings see post #100.
We can only hope for the best....
Jan 13, 2009 | 7:25 am
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What I meant by the heads-up is soon WP members may only earn some fraction of miles for flying AF or KL. Right now only really cheap AF fares earn 25%. (AFAIK the classes that earn 50% are only domestic AF flights.) ALL KL paid fares earn 100%. (I'm only talking about Y here.)
The impact? We may have to steer clear off AF or KL for TATL fligths and try to fly directly to EU cities rather than connecting in AMS or CDG.
The impact? We may have to steer clear off AF or KL for TATL fligths and try to fly directly to EU cities rather than connecting in AMS or CDG.
It looks as though DL currently offers 100% or 150% mileage on ALL KL and AF flights.
Jan 13, 2009 | 7:26 am
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A lot of the international airlines give less then 100%. Not a big suprise. I think AC tried selling fares that earn no miles and I am sure USair will try soon to sell tickets with no miles.
Jan 13, 2009 | 7:28 am
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There are paid flights on AF-KL that when credited to DL do not earn even 100% mileage -- even when some of those same flights credited to NW earn(ed) 100% mileage.
What is to be seen is if DL's "harmonization" of "best of both" ends up being the worst of both/all for DL and NW customers in this area too.
Jan 13, 2009 | 7:33 am
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If i remeber correctly When Korean air got fined for monopolistic actions by the british government they decreased their lower fare to only 50% RDM yeild , but after a while its now back at 100%, any chance things will be back to normal after the recession?
Jan 13, 2009 | 7:38 am
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I am not sure how you motivate customers to give more repeat business in this environment if you strip down the value proposition like AF-KL and DL-NW are doing by way of the "loyalty" program(s).
Jan 13, 2009 | 7:40 am
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DL does not currently offer 100% or 150% mileage on all KL and AF flights.
There are paid flights on AF-KL that when credited to DL do not earn even 100% mileage -- even when some of those same flights credited to NW earn(ed) 100% mileage.
What is to be seen is if DL's "harmonization" of "best of both" ends up being the worst of both/all for DL and NW customers in this area too.
There are paid flights on AF-KL that when credited to DL do not earn even 100% mileage -- even when some of those same flights credited to NW earn(ed) 100% mileage.
What is to be seen is if DL's "harmonization" of "best of both" ends up being the worst of both/all for DL and NW customers in this area too.
Originally Posted by delta.com
Air France offers:
Economy Class: 500 miles minimum or actual miles flown, whichever is greater
Business Class: 150% of mileage
First Class: 150% of mileage
To reserve a flight now, visit Air France.
Mileage may be earned on Air France-coded flights operated by Air France or any SkyTeam partner.
Mileage credit is not applicable for fares booked in A, L, N, O, G, or X class
Economy Class: 500 miles minimum or actual miles flown, whichever is greater
Business Class: 150% of mileage
First Class: 150% of mileage
To reserve a flight now, visit Air France.
Mileage may be earned on Air France-coded flights operated by Air France or any SkyTeam partner.
Mileage credit is not applicable for fares booked in A, L, N, O, G, or X class
Originally Posted by delta.com
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines offers:14
Economy Class: 500 miles minimum or actual miles flown, whichever is greater
Business Class: 150% of mileage
To reserve a flight now, visit KLM Royal Dutch Airlines.
Mileage may be earned on KLM-coded flights operated by KLM, City Hopper, or any SkyTeam partner. Mileage credit is not applicable for fares booked in D, E, G, N, V or W class.
Economy Class: 500 miles minimum or actual miles flown, whichever is greater
Business Class: 150% of mileage
To reserve a flight now, visit KLM Royal Dutch Airlines.
Mileage may be earned on KLM-coded flights operated by KLM, City Hopper, or any SkyTeam partner. Mileage credit is not applicable for fares booked in D, E, G, N, V or W class.
Jan 13, 2009 | 7:49 am
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Compare AF-KL on delta.com to AF-KL earning on nwa.com.
Jan 13, 2009 | 7:52 am
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For Air France:
For KLM:
Originally Posted by nwa.com
Earning/Redeeming Miles
Earn miles on all SkyTeam-coded, Air France-operated flights.
Redeem miles on all Air France-operated flights.
Destinations
Air France serves 189 destinations in 84 countries worldwide.
Website: www.airfrance.com
Effective September 1, 2007
Earning Banked Miles on Northwest-coded, Air France-operated flights
100% of actual miles flown (500-mile minimum)
50% mileage bonus for travel in P, F, J, C, I, Z
Elite Qualifying Northwest Fare Classes on Northwest-coded, Air France-operated flights
Elite Qualifying Miles at 150%: P, F, J, C, I, Z, Y, B
Elite Qualifying Miles at 100%: M, H, Q, V, L, T, K
Earning Banked Miles on Air France-coded, Air France-operated flights
100% of actual miles flown: Y, S, B, K, M, R, A, H, T, V, Q, W, E
50% of actual miles flown: G, U
25% of actual miles flown: N, L
50% mileage bonus for First/Business Class travel: P, F, J, C, D, I, Z
Elite Qualifying Air France Fare Classes on Air France-coded, Air France-operated
Elite Qualifying Miles at 150%: P, F, J, C, D, I, Z, Y, S
Elite Qualifying Miles at 100%: B, K, M, R, A, H, T, V, Q, W, E
Elite Qualifying Miles at 50%: G, U
Elite Qualifying Miles at 25%: N, L
Elite Qualifying Segments: P, F, J, C, D, I, Z, Y, S, A, B, M, K, H, T, R, V, Q, W, E, G, U, L, N
Award Blackout Dates on Air France Flights
None
Earn miles on all SkyTeam-coded, Air France-operated flights.
Redeem miles on all Air France-operated flights.
Destinations
Air France serves 189 destinations in 84 countries worldwide.
Website: www.airfrance.com
Effective September 1, 2007
Earning Banked Miles on Northwest-coded, Air France-operated flights
100% of actual miles flown (500-mile minimum)
50% mileage bonus for travel in P, F, J, C, I, Z
Elite Qualifying Northwest Fare Classes on Northwest-coded, Air France-operated flights
Elite Qualifying Miles at 150%: P, F, J, C, I, Z, Y, B
Elite Qualifying Miles at 100%: M, H, Q, V, L, T, K
Earning Banked Miles on Air France-coded, Air France-operated flights
100% of actual miles flown: Y, S, B, K, M, R, A, H, T, V, Q, W, E
50% of actual miles flown: G, U
25% of actual miles flown: N, L
50% mileage bonus for First/Business Class travel: P, F, J, C, D, I, Z
Elite Qualifying Air France Fare Classes on Air France-coded, Air France-operated
Elite Qualifying Miles at 150%: P, F, J, C, D, I, Z, Y, S
Elite Qualifying Miles at 100%: B, K, M, R, A, H, T, V, Q, W, E
Elite Qualifying Miles at 50%: G, U
Elite Qualifying Miles at 25%: N, L
Elite Qualifying Segments: P, F, J, C, D, I, Z, Y, S, A, B, M, K, H, T, R, V, Q, W, E, G, U, L, N
Award Blackout Dates on Air France Flights
None
Originally Posted by nwa.com
Earning Banked Miles
100% of actual miles flown (500-mile minimum).
50% mileage bonus for purchased World Business Class travel.
Elite Qualifying Fare Classes
Elite Qualifying Miles at 150%: J, C, I*, Z, X, S, B
Elite Qualifying Miles at 100%: Y, M, H, Q, V, L, T, K, N, E
Elite Qualifying Segments: J, C, Z, S, B, N, E, M, H, Q, V, L, T, K
*I class not valid for 150% Elite Qualifying Miles when upgraded from a coach class fare.
100% of actual miles flown (500-mile minimum).
50% mileage bonus for purchased World Business Class travel.
Elite Qualifying Fare Classes
Elite Qualifying Miles at 150%: J, C, I*, Z, X, S, B
Elite Qualifying Miles at 100%: Y, M, H, Q, V, L, T, K, N, E
Elite Qualifying Segments: J, C, Z, S, B, N, E, M, H, Q, V, L, T, K
*I class not valid for 150% Elite Qualifying Miles when upgraded from a coach class fare.
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Jan 13, 2009 | 7:57 am
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Look at KLM fares booked in E, N and V.
KL E/N/V earn when credited to NW. Now look to see if they earn when credited to DL.
What do you come back with?
KL E/N/V earn when credited to NW. Now look to see if they earn when credited to DL.
What do you come back with?
Jan 13, 2009 | 8:07 am
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And on Air France operated flights, A/L/N/G inventory provide either full or partial mileage earning credit to NW but nothing if credited to DL.