ce_holli

I was in F last night on a flight from MSP-YEG. I was in 3B and there were three empty seats in F, including 3A next to me. About 20 mins after take-off, I moved to seat 3A to attempt to sleep against the window. I had some of my personal belongings in seat 3B. Shortly after, one of the FAs escorts someone to the first class cabin from coach. The FA taps me on my foot and asks me to move my belongings to allow this random man to sit next to me. In my opinion, the guy had no business being in F. He was clearly not an Elite passenger and I don't think he had ever flown in F before, since he tried to pay for a beer in F. I have two questions: 1) Do I have any reason to be annoyed? 2) Under what circumstances is it acceptable for a FA to bump someone up to F once the flight has already taken off?

DanTravels

1) No.
2) My guess would be that something occurred around that man, that wasn't his fault, that was far more objectionable than what happened to you.

LadyPhoenix

I have read some arrogant posts in the past but the OP's takes the cake! Why in the hell do you care about the reasons for an FA to bump someone into F...and who are you to determine who has "business" to be in F or not?

In fact, what "business" did you have to move from your assigned seat to one that was not assigned nor paid for by you?

Finally, do Elites where name bumper stickers on their back "I'm an Elite; ask me how"? If not, then you haven't a clue as to whether or not he was one, especially since you didn't ask him.

DWNewman

Hear Hear!!!

As to under what conditions the FA can bump someone....... Any time they want!!!!

LadyPhoenix

Exactly.

jhayes_1780

Gee I didn't take it that way (yours is the one that seems a little "arrogant").... The OP seemed to be setting up the premise of the story with some details that he would have been asked anyway.

Seems the OP is just asking 2 (IMO reasonable) questions:

So to answer the OP:

1. No, because you didn't buy 2 F seats
2. Was just sitting in the wrong seat to begin with? Problems with other seat? problem with the another passenger? it really could have been several reasons.

DanTravels

jhayes_1780, I think the "arrogant" remark came from the OP's "In my opinion the guy had no business being in F. He was clearly not an Elite passenger..."

It's not any passenger's place to say who does, or doesn't, have any business sitting in any cabin. That's up to the airline and the crew. And frankly, I'm really happy about this, because a fair amount of the time, I don't look like I have any business being in F!

Whether "arrogant" is the most accurate word, I can't say. Perhaps "elitist," "snobbish," "uppity," "pompous," "self-important," "highfalutin," "hoity-toity" or something like that would be better? Personally, I'd choose "supercilious."

But I don't think the OP's tone is really defensible against a few perjoratives.

(Sorry for all the big words, straight-talkin' folks!)

SpinzCity

It's always good to have somebody sitting next to you in case you gag on the nut mix and need a heimlich maneuver.

rankourabu

WOW

I guess I have no business in F, since I NEVER look "elite" because of my age, and the fact I only travel for leisure. So clearly I cannot be an elite passanger.

Are you really that upset that this guy got to sit in a bigger seat and got a free beer??? Seriously, this bothers you???

notyouraveragejt

I agree with you dan. I always look like I am NOT an elite customer. I dress so I can be comfortable. For me I have noticed on here and in the airport alot NOT all but alot of the higher elites that fly alot feel just because there butt is in a seat more than me they are better than me. While for those plats most of those don't have to spend a dime of there money for those tickets. So someone else is playing for them to have that status. ME I only travel for my pleasure and have to pay for my tickets on my dime. Sometimes when I read stuff like this makes me think how much of a spoiled brat most frequent flyers are.

Now don't everyone fly off the handle at me. My statements are for those of you that fly alot on someone elses dime and feel because you sit in a chair more than me that you are better than me. I am sorry if I offened some of you but if you fit my description I don't care if I did.

My two cents.

nwacked

>>>> I only travel for my pleasure and have to pay for my tickets on my dime.... My two cents.

When I fly on two-cent tickets, I am always humbled to get the upgrade. Lately, I have had to pay as much as three dollars.

jhayes_1780

Oh, I totally agree... I just giving the OP the benefit of the doubt before jumping down his throat..... just IMO there is a nice way to answer the OP, and a few people chose not to take that route; again just IMO.

You talk pretty

Also, I am more of a UA forum guy so forgive the ignorance..... is it allowed (under "normal" circumstances) for a NW FA to OPUP a passenger?

ed1

I know for WBC there has to be a valid reason, or they could face problems from management. For domestic F, I'm not sure what the official guidelines are. This is usually done when there is a problem with a seat or neighboring pax, or to enable a family to sit together, etc.

MikeMpls

Frankly, I'm not sure whose post is more objectionable, yours or the OP's. It's quite the toss up. People move to empty seats (especially aisle to window in an empty row) all the time. I've done that countless times.

Wrong. Seats are assigned at the gate. Flight attendants do not have the authority to bump just anyone up to F. Only the gates agents have the complete fare and status info to make that determination, and the process is automated to avoid underhanded arrangements.

However, lacking any specifics as to why he acquired a seatmate, the OP really has no gripe either. Maybe his old seat was broken or someone spilled a drink on it or barfed or it or he was being squeezed out by an oversized pax or .... and there were no alternatives in Y? There can be lots of valid reasons for moving pax in flight.

Still wrong.

DanTravels

But you must have known I was not a great fool; you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

Oh, and notyouraveragejt, even though I fly on other people's dimes a lot, I know you weren't talking about me.