PDX-NRT announced
Jan 8, 2004 | 11:47 pm
#16
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by orientflyer:
I doubt there are enough traveller to Oregon
from other Asian countries.
The route depends on how they fill the plane with US originating passenger.
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I doubt there are enough traveller to Oregon
from other Asian countries.
The route depends on how they fill the plane with US originating passenger.
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Jan 9, 2004 | 1:03 am
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Northwest is also offering introductory fares from Portland to Beijing, Busan, Hong Kong, Seoul, Shanghai, Singapore or Taipei for $379 each way, Bangkok for $404 each way and Manila for $494 each way.
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Northwest is also offering introductory fares from Portland to Beijing, Busan, Hong Kong, Seoul, Shanghai, Singapore or Taipei for $379 each way, Bangkok for $404 each way and Manila for $494 each way.
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Jan 9, 2004 | 1:21 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by orientflyer:
[B]From NRT, transit through MSP/DTW is much more convenient to most cities.[B]</font>
[B]From NRT, transit through MSP/DTW is much more convenient to most cities.[B]</font>
Along the lines of what mymiles2go said, it's all about Portland being able to tell the business community that it has direct service to Asia. However, in order to keep the PDX-NRT service viable in the long run, I would think that having other west coast traffic feeding into it would be necessary. Since most of the west coast destinations served by AS are also available from SEA, I hope that the Port of Portland and/or NW can work with immigration officials to reverse any existing negative perception.
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Jan 9, 2004 | 1:26 pm
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Those "introductary" fares aren't anything special. I flew for $100-$200 less per flight last year, and from Phx, no less.
Jan 9, 2004 | 1:57 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by WebTraveler:
The more likely hope would be increased service to Newark on Continental (it is just rotten now) as well as a possible Memphis hub flight to Portland to connect to the Tokyo flight.</font>
The more likely hope would be increased service to Newark on Continental (it is just rotten now) as well as a possible Memphis hub flight to Portland to connect to the Tokyo flight.</font>
Jan 9, 2004 | 4:01 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by abaraff:
in searching CO's online timetable it looks like they are running a second PDX-EWR non-stop starting 6/10 (CO585 and CO284 the other direction).</font>
in searching CO's online timetable it looks like they are running a second PDX-EWR non-stop starting 6/10 (CO585 and CO284 the other direction).</font>
Does this one leave in AM to arrive in time for the PDX->NRT departure? I believe the existing one leaves in the PM.
Jan 9, 2004 | 4:36 pm
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This has to be a "committed seats" deal, like LH FRA/PDX. The issue is, assuming insignificant East-bound tourism through PDX, what has changed since DL pulled the plug?
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Jan 9, 2004 | 4:59 pm
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Maybe Northwest has a lower cost structure
I thought Delta flew an MD-11 and if I'm right, that's more capacity than a DC10 or A330-200 so that means higher costs. And if what everybody says about customs is true and it's improved, then perhaps more Asian tourists will come through. Plus I bet they have their landing fees covered for a while. So if you add that on to guaranteed seats then it's much more likely to succeed, at least for a while.
One last ramble: NW has a bigger presence in NRT than DL does at NGO. This means less staff costs due to volume, an established connection infrastructure and probably better brand awareness.
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I thought Delta flew an MD-11 and if I'm right, that's more capacity than a DC10 or A330-200 so that means higher costs. And if what everybody says about customs is true and it's improved, then perhaps more Asian tourists will come through. Plus I bet they have their landing fees covered for a while. So if you add that on to guaranteed seats then it's much more likely to succeed, at least for a while.
One last ramble: NW has a bigger presence in NRT than DL does at NGO. This means less staff costs due to volume, an established connection infrastructure and probably better brand awareness.
[This message has been edited by bergamini (edited Jan 09, 2004).]
Jan 9, 2004 | 5:20 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by billiam:
"Northwest is also offering introductory fares from Portland to... Hong Kong... for $379 each way..." </font>
"Northwest is also offering introductory fares from Portland to... Hong Kong... for $379 each way..." </font>
Jan 9, 2004 | 5:35 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by orientflyer:
Many Japanese traveller would not choose to land at PDX unless it's their destination.
The biggest reason is, rumor concerning PDX
immingration has been widely spread since
many DL passenger were denied entry at PDX.
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Many Japanese traveller would not choose to land at PDX unless it's their destination.
The biggest reason is, rumor concerning PDX
immingration has been widely spread since
many DL passenger were denied entry at PDX.
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The intro fares are way too high.
Jan 9, 2004 | 5:35 pm
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<The issue is, assuming insignificant East-bound tourism through PDX, what has changed since DL pulled the plug?>
The BIG difference is Northwest has a big fat hub called Tokyo. Delta's service was basically point to point.
The BIG difference is Northwest has a big fat hub called Tokyo. Delta's service was basically point to point.
Jan 9, 2004 | 5:50 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by RDY3238:
The intro fares are way too high.</font>
The intro fares are way too high.</font>
Jan 9, 2004 | 9:42 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by abaraff:
This is straying from the topic, because it would be a 5+ hour connection from the NRT-PDX flight and I don't think it's even a NW codeshare, but in searching CO's online timetable it looks like they are running a second PDX-EWR non-stop starting 6/10 (CO585 and CO284 the other direction). Is this just a seasonal service expansion?</font>
This is straying from the topic, because it would be a 5+ hour connection from the NRT-PDX flight and I don't think it's even a NW codeshare, but in searching CO's online timetable it looks like they are running a second PDX-EWR non-stop starting 6/10 (CO585 and CO284 the other direction). Is this just a seasonal service expansion?</font>
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Jan 9, 2004 | 9:43 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Sam Drucker:
<The issue is, assuming insignificant East-bound tourism through PDX, what has changed since DL pulled the plug?>
The BIG difference is Northwest has a big fat hub called Tokyo. Delta's service was basically point to point.</font>
<The issue is, assuming insignificant East-bound tourism through PDX, what has changed since DL pulled the plug?>
The BIG difference is Northwest has a big fat hub called Tokyo. Delta's service was basically point to point.</font>
Jan 10, 2004 | 9:35 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Sam Drucker:
The BIG difference is Northwest has a big fat hub called Tokyo. Delta's service was basically point to point.</font>
The BIG difference is Northwest has a big fat hub called Tokyo. Delta's service was basically point to point.</font>
Source: http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/newsc/20...720041264.html