DC9 - throw it in reverse?
Apr 16, 2002 | 2:38 am
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DC9 - throw it in reverse?
I saw a first yesterday on a flight out of BWI. The pilot used thrust reversers to back out of the gate. I don't usually pay attention to how we're backing out, but I was wondering why the engines were running up so high right next to the building...then we just backed out. Anyone else ever seen this?
Apr 16, 2002 | 5:11 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by srodr:
I saw a first yesterday on a flight out of BWI. The pilot used thrust reversers to back out of the gate. I don't usually pay attention to how we're backing out, but I was wondering why the engines were running up so high right next to the building...then we just backed out. Anyone else ever seen this?</font>
I saw a first yesterday on a flight out of BWI. The pilot used thrust reversers to back out of the gate. I don't usually pay attention to how we're backing out, but I was wondering why the engines were running up so high right next to the building...then we just backed out. Anyone else ever seen this?</font>
Apr 16, 2002 | 5:17 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by srodr:
I saw a first yesterday on a flight out of BWI. The pilot used thrust reversers to back out of the gate. I don't usually pay attention to how we're backing out, but I was wondering why the engines were running up so high right next to the building...then we just backed out. Anyone else ever seen this?</font>
I saw a first yesterday on a flight out of BWI. The pilot used thrust reversers to back out of the gate. I don't usually pay attention to how we're backing out, but I was wondering why the engines were running up so high right next to the building...then we just backed out. Anyone else ever seen this?</font>
Yep...the DC-9 does this. I've already had a couple of them out of the WorldGateway in Detroit. In fact there was a DC-9 doing (I think it's called) a reverse thrust pushback (I could be wrong on this though) this morning out of DTW. Although uncommon...it's not an extreme rarity. There are several additional safety requirements that must be met in order to attempt these types of pushbacks. I'll do a search for additional information and post a link when I get a chance.
Apr 16, 2002 | 5:50 am
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...and at DTW, why does the aircraft go FORWARD before it backs out? I am always afraid that it will plow into the terminal!
Apr 16, 2002 | 7:13 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by remedy:
...and at DTW, why does the aircraft go FORWARD before it backs out? I am always afraid that it will plow into the terminal!</font>
...and at DTW, why does the aircraft go FORWARD before it backs out? I am always afraid that it will plow into the terminal!</font>
Apr 16, 2002 | 7:36 am
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AA uses this technique with its super80s (newer DC-9 variants) at DFW, and at other stations. Saves time waiting for a pushback.
Apr 16, 2002 | 8:49 am
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It's my understanding that tail-mount aircraft with reversers can do this. I know that the 717 and DC9 do it, and I would presume that the MD-xx can as well. AirTran does it regularly in ATL, and I was on a couple of NW DC9's this weekend in MEM and DTW that did it.
Wing-mount aircraft can not do it due to the possibility of sucking in tarmac debris kicked up by the reverse thrust.
Wing-mount aircraft can not do it due to the possibility of sucking in tarmac debris kicked up by the reverse thrust.
Apr 16, 2002 | 8:52 am
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I asked a pilot at DTW about that. He said it was not unusual and done when a Tug is not available. He said it was a really safe procedure and would keep the schedule of the flight on track
Apr 16, 2002 | 10:00 am
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The DC9, 717, MD80 and 727 are presently certified to perform reverse thrust pushbacks.
Apr 16, 2002 | 1:13 pm
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It's called a "powerback," as opposed to a "pushback."
The pilot will tell us FAs that this is going to happen. Usually we wait with the safety announcements until this is over. We might fall over in the cabin!
It's very common, but seems to be even more common at the new terminal.
Less ground people working = less tugs in use, and less groundpeople to signal the plane into "brakes up" at the gate.
The pilot will tell us FAs that this is going to happen. Usually we wait with the safety announcements until this is over. We might fall over in the cabin!
It's very common, but seems to be even more common at the new terminal.
Less ground people working = less tugs in use, and less groundpeople to signal the plane into "brakes up" at the gate.
Apr 16, 2002 | 2:55 pm
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AA does this all the time with their Super-80's. I've only experienced it once on NW, at MEM when the pilot apparently got tired of waiting for a pushback. We were delayed 2 hours due to a mechanical and when we took off, there were literally 0 NW planes on the ground at the airport. It was weird seeing MEM with only 2 aircraft (both DL if I recall) parked at gates.
Apr 16, 2002 | 3:53 pm
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A Delta pilot sitting next to me once said that DL does not allow this because it thinks the high revs wear out the engines.
Apr 16, 2002 | 4:29 pm
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Braniff used to have their 727's powerback in TUS. Pilots liked it because they did not have to wait for a pushback; however, it is incredibly noisy. There is a controversy as to whether it "taxes" the engines or not.
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Apr 16, 2002 | 6:36 pm
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They don't perform any push/power-back in Duluth MN (DLH). They swing the jetway ALL THE WAY back so it is against the building & clear all vechicles from the area. Then the DC9 will go forward a few feet and make a HARD right until it turns all the way around. I guess it helps that there is rarely any other activity going on around there.
Apr 16, 2002 | 7:56 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by B747-437B:
The DC9, 717, MD80 and 727 are presently certified to perform reverse thrust pushbacks.</font>
The DC9, 717, MD80 and 727 are presently certified to perform reverse thrust pushbacks.</font>