2006 program changes?
Dec 7, 2005 | 7:42 am
#31
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Originally Posted by DerikG
Off Topic.
If you do not like what I write, simply move on.
Once again, positive input to this forum is heading down the drain....
BTW, aren't personal attacks against other FTs a reason for suspension?
Last edited by thezipper; Dec 7, 2005 at 8:57 am Reason: Quote has been edited as Off-Topic
Dec 7, 2005 | 9:00 am
#32
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Members... please try to keep it clean or I will close this thread!
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Dec 8, 2005 | 10:54 am
#33
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Originally Posted by SchmutzigMSP
CRC affects WP Platinums as well as WP members who purchase biz fares, not just WC members.
It also impacts Asian Gold and Plat elite that have a free WC membership...
Dec 8, 2005 | 11:52 am
#34
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Originally Posted by SchmutzigMSP
CRC affects WP Platinums as well as WP members who purchase biz fares, not just WC members.
Can you "document" the attrition you're counting on? I suspect not. Since neither can document, I suppose we have to let that one rest. But I can assert from personal experience that as a Plat, I'm not getting upgrades I used to get as a silver. Call that inflation, call that reduced schedule, call it what you will, but it's a fact. I know many others here on the forum can recount similar experiences.
So...your great contribution was saying that "Russ said not much will change" and that there will "probably be some small enhancement to make us happy"? Funny what counts as a contribution these days...
Can you "document" the attrition you're counting on? I suspect not. Since neither can document, I suppose we have to let that one rest. But I can assert from personal experience that as a Plat, I'm not getting upgrades I used to get as a silver. Call that inflation, call that reduced schedule, call it what you will, but it's a fact. I know many others here on the forum can recount similar experiences.
So...your great contribution was saying that "Russ said not much will change" and that there will "probably be some small enhancement to make us happy"? Funny what counts as a contribution these days...
Dec 8, 2005 | 11:54 am
#35
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Originally Posted by grizzly
I'll take that over CO any day, where I went 0/21 for upgrades on domestic segments so far this year...
Dec 8, 2005 | 1:47 pm
#36
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Originally Posted by BallyLoser
I agree with Grizzly. I have had 126 paid segments and 8 free segments this year on NW. I have only missed upgrades on less than 10 of them. most came during the Jan/Feb travel time when elite years over lap. I was also a gold at that time. I flew 6 continental segments this year and was 2/6.
On over 70 upgradable segments, I only missed 3 (one was last minute flight change)..I'm PE, and just requalified this week.
Dec 8, 2005 | 1:52 pm
#37
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Delta has announced changes to its program: 2006 Skymiles Elite Upgrade Changes.
So far, nothing about DL upgrades on NW.
So far, nothing about DL upgrades on NW.
Dec 8, 2005 | 3:01 pm
#38
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Originally Posted by fromYXU
So far, nothing about DL upgrades on NW.
Dec 8, 2005 | 3:37 pm
#39
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Originally Posted by mikey1003
DirtyMSP FWIIW, I agree with you. This is one of the reasons that I dont post too often in the NW forum.
Too much nit picking and then things get contentious.
Every one of your points are valid and, in one way or another, affect everyone of us.
Too much nit picking and then things get contentious.
Every one of your points are valid and, in one way or another, affect everyone of us.
"Please, document the "increase elite" statement. It is assumed that there is an increased number but I suspect that increased attrition will even this out. No one here can demonstrate an increase in Elite numbers right now. But if someone does not get an upgrade, then it's because of "elite dilution". Give me a break".
I keep track of my upgrade percentage and have done so for several years. My own reduced upgrade percentage certainly does demonstrate that for me, with the same elite level (PLAT), with the same number of flights and same mix of routes, a reduction of PE benefits.
Schmutz's comments were accurate. Since when is accuracy a sign of immaturity? I visit this forum for an information exchange that is useful in my travels. I found Schmutz's comments useful. The immaturity thing didn't provide any value.
Dec 8, 2005 | 3:45 pm
#40
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Originally Posted by ironmanjt
Well, I count you both as very lucky - or maybe I fly the wrong routes. On 68 upgrade-elligible segments this year I've been upgradead on 49 - or 72%. Well below what most platinums report. This includes barely 50% from DCA-MSP-DCA and 100% on MSP-YVR-MSP (which is now gone.)
Strangely, everyone else seems to have problems with MSP-LAX, but I'm 8 for 8 on that segment.
Strangely, everyone else seems to have problems with MSP-LAX, but I'm 8 for 8 on that segment.
Dec 8, 2005 | 3:54 pm
#41
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Originally Posted by fromYXU
Delta has announced changes to its program: 2006 Skymiles Elite Upgrade Changes.
So far, nothing about DL upgrades on NW.
So far, nothing about DL upgrades on NW.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed but not holding my breath.
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Dec 9, 2005 | 3:26 am
#42
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I'll stay with NWA
I agree with Grizzly as well.
Perhaps I have been extremely lucky, but I have been upgraded on all of my paid domestic segments (usually EUA'ed at the 5 day window), Op-up'ed on 3 of 6 TA segments, and even got a couple of upgrades when traveling on miles.
The domestic upgrade is why I keep comming back. That, for me, is the biggest reason for my loyalty to NW. That, and the no change fee for booking and then un-booking reward trips (big benefit for Plat status, IMHO).
I have been using that benefit to get to other cities as a start point for intl travel on a foreign carrier. Being able to book, re-book, un-book at with no fee is fantastic. If this all works out, I'll be able to buy a coach ticket on NW/FI (Icelandair) and get upgraded for the entire TA trip.
Considering the situation of the airline, if WP 2006 stays the same as WP 2005, I'll be a happy camper.
Perhaps I have been extremely lucky, but I have been upgraded on all of my paid domestic segments (usually EUA'ed at the 5 day window), Op-up'ed on 3 of 6 TA segments, and even got a couple of upgrades when traveling on miles.
The domestic upgrade is why I keep comming back. That, for me, is the biggest reason for my loyalty to NW. That, and the no change fee for booking and then un-booking reward trips (big benefit for Plat status, IMHO).
I have been using that benefit to get to other cities as a start point for intl travel on a foreign carrier. Being able to book, re-book, un-book at with no fee is fantastic. If this all works out, I'll be able to buy a coach ticket on NW/FI (Icelandair) and get upgraded for the entire TA trip.
Considering the situation of the airline, if WP 2006 stays the same as WP 2005, I'll be a happy camper.
Dec 9, 2005 | 6:12 pm
#43
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Originally Posted by fromYXU
Nice to have your input as well!
If you do not like what I write, simply move on.
Once again, positive input to this forum is heading down the drain....
BTW, aren't personal attacks against other FTs a reason for suspension?
If you do not like what I write, simply move on.
Once again, positive input to this forum is heading down the drain....
BTW, aren't personal attacks against other FTs a reason for suspension?
Dec 9, 2005 | 6:57 pm
#44
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Originally Posted by Elite Addiction
fromYXU, you don't even take your own advice. You didn't move on when you saw something you didn't like and worse, you called that person immature, which is a personal attack and certainly not positive input.
Dec 9, 2005 | 10:26 pm
#45
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Originally Posted by Elite Addiction
fromYXU, you don't even take your own advice. You didn't move on when you saw something you didn't like and worse, you called that person immature, which is a personal attack and certainly not positive input.
Originally Posted by kb1992
no wonder his post was edited by Mr. Moderator for "off topic"