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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 9:33 am
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Delayed Flight

NW5, PDX-NRT had a slight delay leaving PDX yesterday. In fact, it's still here at PDX because of a mechanical problem (described as "unscheduled maintenance"). It is now scheduled to leave at 10AM, about 20 hours late.

What, if any, compensation do those 138 passengers get?
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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 10:08 am
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They probably rebooked as many as possible via other routings. They probably also handed out service recovery packets (usually a 5 minute phonecard, a $-off coupon for a future flight, plus a voucher good for a choice of airport food, inflight drink, or miles). And they might credit the pax WP accounts with a misc customers service bonus. Or they might not.
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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 10:24 am
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When my AMS-SEA was delayed a full 24 hours a couple of years ago, I got squat except for a paper apology letter mailed to my home address two weeks later. I even sort of asked for compensation and got nothing. It's odd, because I've had fairly generous dumps of "customer service miles" since then for relatively minor issues, but nothing for a massive, trip-wrecking delay.
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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 4:29 pm
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Ask for an amenity packet at the desk. Its not much but you get a little money off another flight and it is better than nothing. That much time, you will be able to hit up a couple of employees and get several.
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I had fun reviewing the contract of carriage .

Here's what it said on this topic:

2) AMENITIES WILL BE OFFERED TO PASSENGERS WHOSE
TRANSPORTATION VIA NW HAS BEEN INVOLUNTARILY
INTERRUPTED.
NW WILL PROVIDE EACH AFFECTED PASSENGER WITH A
SERVICE RECOVERY PACKET (OTHER THAN AS A RESULT OF
A FORCE MAJEURE EVENT AS DEFINED IN PARA. G),
WHEN:
A) A SCHEDULE IRREGULARITY CAUSES A DELAY OF
BETWEEN TWO TO FOUR HOURS, OR
B) A SCHEDULE IRREGULARITY CAUSES A CANCELED
FLIGHT, OR
C) IN INSTANCES OF A DELAY OF FOUR HOURS OR LONGER.
DOMESTIC PACKETS CONTAIN:
I) A PHONE CARD ENTITLING THE CUSTOMER TO A
FIVE MINUTE DOMESTIC PHONE CALL.
II) AN AMENITY COUPON OFFERING THE CHOICE OF
NW WORLDPERKS MILES, A MEAL IN THE
AIRPORT, OR A BEVERAGE OR HEADSET ON
BOARD THE AIRCRAFT.
III) A TRAVEL DISCOUNT CERTIFICATE VALID
TOWARD THE PURCHASE OF FUTURE TRAVEL.
INTERNATIONAL PACKETS CONTAIN:
I) AN INTERNATIONAL PHONE CARD ENTITLING
THE CUSTOMER TO A PHONE CALL OF
APPROXIMATELY FIVE MINUTES (TIME MAY
VARY DEPENDING ON THE COUNTRY THE
CUSTOMER IS CALLING).
II) AN AMENITY COUPON WITH A HIGHER VALUE OF
NW WORLDPERKS MILEAGE AND MEAL VALUE.
III) A TRAVEL DISCOUNT CERTIFICATE VALID
TOWARD THE PURCHASE OF FUTURE TRAVEL.
NOTE: NW SERVICE RECOVERY PACKETS ARE AVAILABLE
IN ALL NW SERVICE LOCATIONS EXCEPT AMSTERDAM
(WHERE PASSENGERS ARE ACCOMMODATED ACCORDING TO
KLM POLICIES) WHICH INCLUDE PROVISIONS FOR MEALS,
HOTEL AND GROUND TRANSPORTATION. IF A SCHEDULE
IRREGULARITY OF MORE THAN FOUR HOURS OCCURS,
OTHER THAN AS A RESULT OF A FORCE MAJEURE EVENT
(AS DEFINED IN PARA. G), THE DOMESTIC AMENITY
COUPON VALUE FOR MILEAGE AND MEALS IS DOUBLED
(FROM 500 WORLDPERKS MILES TO 1000 WORLDPERKS
MILES AND FROM $5.00 USD FOR A MEAL TO
$10.00 USD).
3) ACCOMMODATING CUSTOMERS OVERNIGHT
A) OCCASIONALLY, NW IS UNABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A
CUSTOMER ON A FLIGHT ON THE SAME DAY OF
DEPARTURE, RESULTING IN THE PASSENGER NOT
BEING ABLE TO TRAVEL. IN THESE
CIRCUMSTANCES, WHEN OVERNIGHT ACCOMMODATIONS
ARE REQUIRED, NW WILL MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO
PROVIDE HOTEL ACCOMMODATIONS REASONABLY NEAR
THE AIRPORT AND PROVIDE A VOUCHER FOR MEALS
FOR ALL AFFECTED PASSENGERS.
EXCEPTION: HOTEL ACCOMMODATIONS WILL NOT BE
FURNISHED TO A PASSENGER WHOSE TRIP IS
INTERRUPTED AT A CITY WHICH IS THEIR
PERMANENT RESIDENCE.
B) IN THE EVENT DELAYED OR CANCELED FLIGHTS ARE
CAUSED BY CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND NW'S CONTROL
(SUCH AS FORCE MAJEURE EVENTS AS DEFINED IN
PARA. G), NW WILL MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO OFFER
DISCOUNTED HOTEL ACCOMMODATIONS FOR ALL
CUSTOMERS. THE EXPENSE FOR THESE
ACCOMMODATIONS WILL REMAIN
OF EACH CUSTOMER.
4) GROUND TRANSPORTATION
COMPLIMENTARY GROUND TRANSPORTATION BETWEEN THE
AIRPORT AND DOWNTOWN AREA, BUS DEPOT, OR HOTEL
WILL BE PROVIDED BY NW. ADDITIONALLY, WHEN THE
DESTINATION ON THE PASSENGER TICKET IS A POINT
SHOWN IN COLUMN 1 AND FLIGHT ON WHICH THE
PASSENGER IS BEING TRANSPORTED TERMINATES AT A
POINT IN COLUMN 2, NW WILL PROVIDE COMPLIMENTARY
TRANSPORTATION TO THE ORIGINAL DESTINATION
AIRPORT. SUCH TRANSPORTATION WILL BE PROVIDED BY
AN INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR IN THE BUSINESS OF
PROVIDING SUCH TRANSPORTATION, AND NW DOES NOT
ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE TRANSPORTATION OF
THE PASSENGER OR THEIR BAGGAGE BETWEEN SUCH
AIRPORTS. THE COUPONS WILL HAVE NO REFUND VALUE
WHEN TICKET COUPONS HAVE BEEN ISSUED TO COVER THIS
SERVICE AND WHEN SUCH SERVICE HAS NOT BEEN USED.
There was also an interesting tidbit on $0 airfare.

3) MISFILED FARES
NW, AS A POLICY, DOES NOT FILE OR INTEND TO OFFER
TICKETS PRICED AT ZERO OR NEAR ZERO. ESSENTIALLY,
SUCH FARES DO NOT MAKE ANY ECONOMIC SENSE. WE HAVE
INTRODUCED WARNING MECHANISMS TO TRY TO PREVENT SUCH
OCCURRENCES; HOWEVER, FARES SUCH AS THESE
OCCASIONALLY GET LOADED INTO THE COMPUTER
RESERVATION SYSTEMS NOT CONTROLLED BY NW BY MISTAKE.
AGENTS/CUSTOMERS SHOULD BE AWARE THAT IN THESE
CIRCUMSTANCES THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TICKET AT
THESE FARES AND NW WOULD NOT HONOR FARES OF ZERO OR
NEAR ZERO. IN THE EVENT THAT ONE OF THESE FARES IS
TICKETED INADVERTENTLY, NW WILL VOID SUCH TICKET AND
MAY CHOOSE TO WAIVE, IN ITS SOLE DISCRETION, CERTAIN
RULES OR RESTRICTIONS OF EXISTING PUBLISHED FARES AS
A GESTURE OF GOOD WILL.
And another on announcing delays and keeping pax up-to-date on the circumstances of the delay.

NW WILL NOTIFY CUSTOMERS AT THE AIRPORT AND, IF
POSSIBLE, ON BOARD AN AFFECTED AIRCRAFT, IN A
TIMELY MANNER, OF THE BEST AVAILABLE INFORMATION
REGARDING KNOWN DELAYS, CANCELLATIONS AND
DIVERSIONS. IN ADDITION, NW HAS ESTABLISHED AND
IMPLEMENTED POLICIES FOR ACCOMMODATING PASSENGERS
DELAYED OVERNIGHT. A CLEAR AND CONCISE STATEMENT
OF AIRLINES OF NW'S POLICIES IN THESE RESPECTS
WILL ALSO BE MADE AVAILABLE TO CUSTOMERS UPON
THEIR DISEMBARKING THE AIRCRAFT.
A) AIRPORT AND ON-BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS
I) IN THE EVENT OF ANY TYPE OF A SERVICE
DISRUPTION, NW WILL MAKE TIMELY,
ACCURATE AND INFORMATIVE ANNOUNCEMENTS
AT 15 MINUTE INTERVALS. TO ENHANCE ITS
ABILITY TO ACHIEVE THIS, NW HAS FORMAL
COMMUNICATIONS PROCEDURES IN PLACE,
ENCOMPASSING ITS SYSTEMS OPERATIONS
CONTROL CENTER, MAINTENANCE, GROUND
OPERATIONS AND FLIGHT CREW, AND HAS
STANDARDIZED ANNOUNCEMENT STANDARDS.
II) ANNOUNCEMENTS WILL INCLUDE AN
APPROPRIATE APOLOGY, THE SPECIFIC REASON
FOR THE DELAY, THE EXPECTED LENGTH OF
THE DELAY AND THE STATUS OF ANY
CONNECTIONS IF APPLICABLE.
III) THE CAPTAIN WILL MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT ON
BOARD THE AIRCRAFT NO MORE THAN FIVE
MINUTES AFTER SCHEDULED DEPARTURE TIME
IF THE AIRCRAFT HAS NOT YET LEFT THE
GATE. THIS ANNOUNCEMENT WILL PROVIDE
SPECIFIC INFORMATION TO THE CUSTOMERS
ON-BOARD AS TO THE CAUSE OF THE DELAY

And no, I don't typically read these things.
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Old Apr 29, 2005 | 12:30 am
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Originally Posted by themicah
They probably rebooked as many as possible via other routings. They probably also handed out service recovery packets (usually a 5 minute phonecard, a $-off coupon for a future flight, plus a voucher good for a choice of airport food, inflight drink, or miles). And they might credit the pax WP accounts with a misc customers service bonus. Or they might not.
It's been 10 minute phone card for a couple of months. You should know this.
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Old Apr 29, 2005 | 12:31 am
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The best plan is to get into the World Club. You get the better amenity coupons, with higher dollar off coupons and such in them.
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Old Apr 29, 2005 | 4:23 am
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The best plan is to get into the World Club. You get the better amenity coupons, with higher dollar off coupons and such in them.
And the free drinks!
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Old Apr 29, 2005 | 5:32 am
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Cool I Was On That Flight...........

Originally Posted by Dick H
NW5, PDX-NRT had a slight delay leaving PDX yesterday. In fact, it's still here at PDX because of a mechanical problem (described as "unscheduled maintenance"). It is now scheduled to leave at 10AM, about 20 hours late.

What, if any, compensation do those 138 passengers get?
My fiancee and I were on that flight and it wasn't just a "slight" mechanical problem. They brought us back to the gate and said they thought it was a faulty oil-sensor light (which would have been slight) but then oil started leaking within the engine and the #1 engine started smoking (pictures to follow). They brought in the fire department, paramedics and the police (it was quite an experience). They then foamed/washed down the engine as a preventative measure.

Needless to say, there were quite a few irritated and inconvenienced passengers and/crew involved in this situation. Thankfully, the incident didn't occur after we had taken off.
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Old Apr 29, 2005 | 6:00 am
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Concerned about EQM's..........

As everyone else can relate, I am worried about my EQM's (I saw the writing on the wall and insisted on getting reaccomodated on another carrier to Hong Kong). I wonder how many people got out of there yesterday?
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Old Apr 29, 2005 | 7:22 am
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I wonder how they handled the return flight. Lots of people are trying to leave Asia this weekend so methinks simply combining SFO and PDX probably wouldn't cut it.
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Old Apr 29, 2005 | 10:17 am
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Originally Posted by moondog
I wonder how they handled the return flight. Lots of people are trying to leave Asia this weekend so methinks simply combining SFO and PDX probably wouldn't cut it.
IIRC, NW bases a spare A300-200 in NRT for use in this type of situation. Hopfully they were able to utilize that aircraft in this situation if it was not being used in some other capacity.
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Old Apr 29, 2005 | 5:18 pm
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Originally Posted by hotlancer
My fiancee and I were on that flight and it wasn't just a "slight" mechanical problem. They brought us back to the gate and said they thought it was a faulty oil-sensor light (which would have been slight) but then oil started leaking within the engine and the #1 engine started smoking (pictures to follow). They brought in the fire department, paramedics and the police (it was quite an experience). They then foamed/washed down the engine as a preventative measure.

Needless to say, there were quite a few irritated and inconvenienced passengers and/crew involved in this situation. Thankfully, the incident didn't occur after we had taken off.
My use of "slight delay" was facetious. The NWA web site said it was "unscheduled maintenance". Quite an understatement. I heard the tail end of the incident on my fire dept. scanner, but I thought they said it was a generator. A bit more than that, obviously.
I will be on that flight in 3 weeks, thus my interest. How did the rest of it go and what did they do for you? A hotel for the night, of course.

I hope someone wasn't waiting for you at Narita. When I lived in Tokyo my daughter's flight was 7 hours late, but I had called before leaving for Narita since it was more than 2 hours from my house.

Good luck on the rest of your trip.

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Old Apr 29, 2005 | 5:57 pm
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Originally Posted by Dick H
My use of "slight delay" was facetious. The NWA web site said it was "unscheduled maintenance". Quite an understatement. I heard the tail end of the incident on my fire dept. scanner, but I thought they said it was a generator. A bit more than that, obviously.
I will be on that flight in 3 weeks, thus my interest. How did the rest of it go and what did they do for you? A hotel for the night, of course.

I hope someone wasn't waiting for you at Narita. When I lived in Tokyo my daughter's flight was 7 hours late, but I had called before leaving for Narita since it was more than 2 hours from my house.

Good luck on the rest of your trip.

Dick
Well, we were on our way to Hong Kong and I had pre-paid our hotel in advance via PL. Knowing what I know from experience (and through the experience of others on FT), I didn't want to spend the night in Portland like most of the other passengers (too many other things could go wrong, etc.). There wasn't going to be enough capacity on the next days flight so I insisted on being reaccomodated on another carrier (Cathay Pacific via SFO) as soon as possible. I wouldn't have wanted to have been a non-frequent flier in this position (there were just 4 agents at the podium to work with about 140 passengers and it took my agent about 90 minutes ("Dee" at PDX was a blessing to work with) to get me taken care of. They were going to give us a free night in Portland but I took time off specifically to take the A330 to Asia (have taken it to Europe four or five times) and didn't want to hang out there.

As long as I get the mileage bonus I was expecting (the 7,500 miles as promised on NWA.COM for transit to Japan/China) as well as all of the EQM's and my Platinum bonus miles, I will be happy. This is going to be the biggest mileage earner of the year for me, if I don't get the EQM's I am not going to requalify for Plat 2006.

I will let you know how it goes........Meanwhile, we are getting ready to start our second day in Hong Kong.
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Old Apr 29, 2005 | 10:23 pm
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...There wasn't going to be enough capacity on the next days flight ... ("Dee" at PDX was a blessing to work with)
I will let you know how it goes........Meanwhile, we are getting ready to start our second day in Hong Kong.
Your flight left at 1048 and today's regular flight left at 225. Your head count was almost perfect - 138 was the official number.

About "Dee". NW agents have always been great to me. We lost a ring on a London-Minneapolis flight and they found it on the AC.

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