Locked thread and AC cert giveaway
Feb 1, 2005, 9:53 pm
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Originally Posted by jfe
What concerns me is that gleff's action is being looked at in such a negative way.
Feb 1, 2005, 10:00 pm
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Originally Posted by jfe
Not trying to understand how AC forum works, as I rarely frequent it, I am close to south of the border, not north of the border
Feb 1, 2005, 10:06 pm
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Originally Posted by cblaisd
Not everybody.
Feb 2, 2005, 1:52 am
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Originally Posted by cblaisd
Let me offer some clarification, re the placement of upgrade or other coupon giveaways or proposed exchanges:
1. There were exactly two threads offering upgrades that were moved to Coupon Connection by me. They came to my attention when someone used the "Report Bad Post" feature concerning the two threads.
1. There were exactly two threads offering upgrades that were moved to Coupon Connection by me. They came to my attention when someone used the "Report Bad Post" feature concerning the two threads.
2. Those two threads were not "locked." A re-direct for them remains in the AC forum.
3. Randy Petersen has said that he prefers
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...0&postcount=26
all "coupon" offers to be in Coupon Connection (bolding mine):
It is only appropriate and gracious for Randy's volunteer staff moderators to follow his wishes, no?
3. Randy Petersen has said that he prefers
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...0&postcount=26
all "coupon" offers to be in Coupon Connection (bolding mine):
It is only appropriate and gracious for Randy's volunteer staff moderators to follow his wishes, no?
4. While Randy's "regardless of origin or program involved" settles the issue imo, I would also comment that I believe the "special" nature of AC upgrades and the fact that they have this or that restriction is just not that different from certain other airline or hote upgrades or other certs that get offered on Coupon Connection. Those interested in such certs can learn the restrictions. If those offering such certs don't wish to be bothered with responding to questions about who can use the certs, then don't answer the questions that get asked of you.
Thanks for the opportunity to clarify what is, after all, simply not that big a deal, imo. Threads get moved to the appropriate forum every day on FlyerTalk. It's helpful to the members. It honors the owner's wishes. It helps keep things orderly. Why is this particular case such a huge deal that causes some folks (naming no names here) to send borderline abusive PM's to me about how horrible this all is?
Feb 2, 2005, 2:48 am
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It is true that Randy Petersen once wrote:
I have known Randy a good long time, like him tremendously, very much enjoy his company, and appreciate his gift of FT. I do not, however, view him as an all-knowing godhead, who is always right about all things at all times. Sometimes even he can be wrong, as I am sure he will learn once he gets married. 
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He has offered his opinion on this subject, without substantiation, other than it "makes sense to him". In this particular instance, I, along with all of the AC posters above, just happen to disagree. I do believe that it is still within the TOS to politely disagree, is it not?
Out of respect for Randy's opinion, with which I still wholeheartedly disagree, I stopped posting gifts on FT, and started giving away upgrades to total strangers at the airport (which is actually a lot more fun).
This policy may well be FT approved and accepted, but it will always create a bone of contention, because it is illogical, despite the fact that it has somehow earned the "Randy" seal of approval.
I wholeheartly agree with the moderators here. For you Punki, let me take a few minutes to pass along some information that may put the role of moderators in a different light. First of all, the move to put the offers in Coupon Connection was correct. For the reasons offered by others, it makes sense to me that these types of offers, regardless of orgigin or program involved be allocated to CC rather than an airline/hotel specific program. The clutter and other comments offered here ring true to me.
: He has offered his opinion on this subject, without substantiation, other than it "makes sense to him". In this particular instance, I, along with all of the AC posters above, just happen to disagree. I do believe that it is still within the TOS to politely disagree, is it not?
Out of respect for Randy's opinion, with which I still wholeheartedly disagree, I stopped posting gifts on FT, and started giving away upgrades to total strangers at the airport (which is actually a lot more fun).
This policy may well be FT approved and accepted, but it will always create a bone of contention, because it is illogical, despite the fact that it has somehow earned the "Randy" seal of approval.
Feb 2, 2005, 7:02 am
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Originally Posted by tcook052
Neither, since you asked. I'm in the "leave things the way they are" camp as for the most part I feel things work well without full-time moderation. And since signing on my opinion on the subject has changed a few times, I'll admit. And BTW, I don't think there's in any way a general disregard for TOS among forum participants, or an expectation that anything can be said without fear of punishment. I was just asking why so flagrant an attack has gone seemingly unpunished while other arguably more minor cases in recent months resulted in time outs being given.
Could be why there is a difference.
Feb 2, 2005, 7:23 am
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I just stumbled upon this one now in ORP. It seems to me there is a concerted effort to get a member banned. That's one sure way to keep a person from getting banned - make it look like it's a witch hunt.
Feb 2, 2005, 7:26 am
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Fatboy, I apologise for my part of having taken this thread OT over bannings.
I am afraid that the moderators fail to be able to "logic me" as to why it is good the for the AC forum regulars to have to trade/giveaway certs in the Coupon Connection.
The trading/donating of certs in the AC forum has been highly successful. I have no interest in giving away a coveted SSWU in the CC forum. I will be bombarded by trolls who do not contribute to AC on a regular basis, and some of the same trolls will be looking to profit from my giving.
To the mods, can I start a thread in the AC forum to give/trade away a 2005/6 SSWU? Yes or no?
I am afraid that the moderators fail to be able to "logic me" as to why it is good the for the AC forum regulars to have to trade/giveaway certs in the Coupon Connection.
The trading/donating of certs in the AC forum has been highly successful. I have no interest in giving away a coveted SSWU in the CC forum. I will be bombarded by trolls who do not contribute to AC on a regular basis, and some of the same trolls will be looking to profit from my giving.
To the mods, can I start a thread in the AC forum to give/trade away a 2005/6 SSWU? Yes or no?
Feb 2, 2005, 8:43 am
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Originally Posted by Punki
Out of respect for Randy's opinion, with which I still wholeheartedly disagree, I stopped posting gifts on FT, and started giving away upgrades to total strangers at the airport (which is actually a lot more fun).
Here is one sad result--today we allowed 4 UA SWUs to expire rather than offer them up on CC.
Feb 2, 2005, 9:02 am
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Originally Posted by taupo
To the mods, can I start a thread in the AC forum to give/trade away a 2005/6 SSWU? Yes or no?
Feb 2, 2005, 9:18 am
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Originally Posted by Punki
When the rules changed, requiring all offerings to be posted on CC, I quit offering any perks on FT. I hate posting freebies on CC because I always get inundated with e-mails from people I don't know and (based on the greedy tone of their requests) honestly don't want to know.
Here is one sad result--today we allowed 4 UA SWUs to expire rather than offer them up on CC.
Here is one sad result--today we allowed 4 UA SWUs to expire rather than offer them up on CC.
FewMiles..
Feb 2, 2005, 9:19 am
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Originally Posted by Cloud Lounger
A good question indeed - If so, I will post the availability of a SSWU expiring Feb 28, 2004
Feb 2, 2005, 9:19 am
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taupo writes:
Precisely! The rule appears to be a rule because it is a rule. Beyond that, there does not appear to be a logical reason.
That has been exactly my experience, taupo, which is the reason I will no longer post gifts in CC.
I am afraid that the moderators fail to be able to "logic me" as to why it is good the for the AC forum regulars to have to trade/giveaway certs in the Coupon Connection.
The trading/donating of certs in the AC forum has been highly successful. I have no interest in giving away a coveted SSWU in the CC forum. I will be bombarded by trolls who do not contribute to AC on a regular basis, and some of the same trolls will be looking to profit from my giving.
Feb 2, 2005, 9:52 am
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Originally Posted by Punki
That has been exactly my experience, taupo, which is the reason I will no longer post gifts in CC.
It would be horrible if they went unused despite so many oppotunities to share them just because you wanted to spite Randy.
Feb 2, 2005, 10:21 am
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robb writes:
What a very odd interpretation. I do, in fact, disagree with Randy on this particular issue. We are, however, both mature adults, who are perfectly capable of disagreeing on a specific point without any negative implications attaching to that disagreement. One would think that this would also be a required skill for all Moderators.
It would be horrible if they went unused just because you wanted to spite Randy.
What a very odd interpretation. I do, in fact, disagree with Randy on this particular issue. We are, however, both mature adults, who are perfectly capable of disagreeing on a specific point without any negative implications attaching to that disagreement. One would think that this would also be a required skill for all Moderators.