WSJ agrees -- UA, AA best for redemption
#91


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It is interesting to note having nothing to do with award availability that some of those same programs that I list as unacceptable the business behavior in those contact centers is also frequently sub par
That is if you can get someone one to pick up the phone and understand what language they are speaking.
That is if you can get someone one to pick up the phone and understand what language they are speaking.
Here are some reasons:
1) the Spanish call center usually has better Spanish than the overseas English call center has English
2) there is often less of a wait on hold (e.g. once I got through immediately in Spanish when the English line was a 1 hour+ wait)
3) there is a better chance that the automated voice system (the bane of modern technology) does not work in Spanish and you get through to a person easier.
#92
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Molly, I agree 100%. At least partly on the principle that the airlines have a completely closed system and simply tell you NO. There is no system of, say, 10 seats at "saver" rate, the rest are double. It is simply that the airline allocates and deallocates seats as it wishes with no outside accountability. If enough people start paying double miles, they can cut out "saver" seats except for their most low demand routes and you will never get any seats at the "saver" rate.
Most airlines do not just allocate NN seats to reward redemption. They tie the points to some arbitrary dollar value internally and then they can determine whether to allow redemption based on the "price" that seats are selling for. The allocations are fluid as demand (and consequently prices) increase for a particular flight/route. At the same time there will be flights that never have a redemption seat available. The guys at JetBlue were rather explicit about this during our meeting/T5 tour back in June. They might open seats up very close to departure on some of their highest demand peak flights (think JFK-SXM/AUA around the winter holidays or spring break), but generally they just won't do it.
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DL's pronouncements about FF seats release tied to inventory fare buckets are basically useless pronouncements when it comes to the public trying to know the full picture of what is going on for award seats -- the existence of the likes of journey control being in play and the amount and extent/duration of availability of inventory fare buckets that may map back (somewhat or greatly) for the "standard" (i.e., most marketed pricing level in miles) awards are up in the air near-constantly, and so the general public really has no clue about how much is and is not being made available for award redemptions at the "standard" (e.g., 25k miles for domestic trips) award pricing level.
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They are more generous for domestic runs. For international rewards most carriers offer the stopover/open-jaw options.
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AA is even more generous on international awards to / from North America.
Correct. AA also allows 2 stopovers - 1 each at North America / International Gateway, PLUS open-jaw, though you must fly the most direct route.
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With AA awards for say US-Europe or US-Asia roundtrip, I've managed city A-B o B-C o C-D o, E-F (i.e., where "o" = stop) and then stuffed it with some creative connections (i.e., "x" = connection) to allow for sub-24 hour connections internationally.
The same sort of 40k AA mile coach award trip in the case of US-Europe-US would have cost anywhere from 80k to 175k DL miles (in coach) when recently attempting the same sort of thing -- or even something far more simple -- with DL miles.
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At the end of the day I typically only purchase revenue tickets from carriers who support within reason my ability to redeem fairly. To not have a reasonable two way street encourages carriers to be greedy IMO. Those who continue to support carriers with poor records of redemption pay the price now and into the foreseeable future. For all of us.
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FWIW, Southwest's standard (saver) award availability has been decent of late. The online booking engine shows availability accurately, and seats often open up a week or so before the travel date. Changes are free of any fees, so you can keep fine tuning your trip. Yes, it's frustrating having to wait so late to know whether you will get the flight, but it's better to get a seat this way than not at all.
Each credit is valid for 24 months from the date earned. Your Rapid Rewards account will contain only valid credits collected within the immediately preceding 24 consecutive months. If a credit is not applied toward an Award within 24 months of the date earned, it will be deleted from your Rapid Rewards account balance. Southwest Airlines reserves the right to cancel the membership of any Member with no credits in the account and who has earned no credits for at least 12 consecutive months.
Maybe THAT explains the so-called "decent" availability. Take away credits you earned before you can use them EVEN if you are still actively flying on the airline. No thanks! I will stick with UA. I also prefer to fly in first class, something not even possible on SW.
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For kids' accounts it's tougher. I use Amex Membership Rewards to top off those accounts with the precise number of credits needed to avoid having credits expire.
All FF programs require a certain amount of gamesmanship for best results. If this were not the case the programs would be less rewarding, as you say.

