Anyone Flown One of these Beasts?
Apr 2, 2002 | 12:13 pm
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Anyone Flown One of these Beasts?
This is from today's Wall Street Journal.
Boeing Co. is expanding its product line to offer more planes with an extra-long fuselage that can seat dozens of additional passengers at about the same cost as the original models. Originally intended for charter operators, the stretch planes are finding a new niche at several major commercial carriers, and Boeing thinks more will follow suit.
Continental Airlines has begun flying the stretched 757-300...The new plane costs about the same as the venerable 757-200 and flies with identical engines, but comes with 27 extra seats in coach. Even wide-bodied planes are getting stretched. Delta Air Lines is flying a stretch version of the wide-bodied, twin-aisled 767 between Atlanta and Florida. The 767-400 is 42 feet longer than a 767-200, and carries 83 more passengers.
Both Continental and Alaska Airlines are flying a new stretch version of the 737 called the 737-900. It's 28 feet longer than the 737-700 that Southwest Airlines flies, and carries 52 more passengers.
Wow, this are big planes. Read the article for more information.
http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1...rketplace%5Fhs
Boeing Co. is expanding its product line to offer more planes with an extra-long fuselage that can seat dozens of additional passengers at about the same cost as the original models. Originally intended for charter operators, the stretch planes are finding a new niche at several major commercial carriers, and Boeing thinks more will follow suit.
Continental Airlines has begun flying the stretched 757-300...The new plane costs about the same as the venerable 757-200 and flies with identical engines, but comes with 27 extra seats in coach. Even wide-bodied planes are getting stretched. Delta Air Lines is flying a stretch version of the wide-bodied, twin-aisled 767 between Atlanta and Florida. The 767-400 is 42 feet longer than a 767-200, and carries 83 more passengers.
Both Continental and Alaska Airlines are flying a new stretch version of the 737 called the 737-900. It's 28 feet longer than the 737-700 that Southwest Airlines flies, and carries 52 more passengers.
Wow, this are big planes. Read the article for more information.
http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1...rketplace%5Fhs
Apr 2, 2002 | 12:44 pm
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Who needs an A380? Just keep adding fuselage sections to the venerable 737 or 757 until they have the same passenger capacity of the planned A380! 
Maybe they can call it the 737-5128 (designating one mile in length)!
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Maybe they can call it the 737-5128 (designating one mile in length)!
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Apr 2, 2002 | 12:49 pm
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The 767-400 is big ... still, it's no L-1011.
From my perspective in coach, long-haul is infinitely preferable on *any* 767 compared to *any* single-aisle.
Twin aisles just gave a sense of space and reduced-stress on transcon flights. And they're far more practical, of course, if you're trying to walk back or forward during food service (a beverage cart on a 737-800 is gonna block that aisle for a looooooong time).
From my perspective in coach, long-haul is infinitely preferable on *any* 767 compared to *any* single-aisle.
Twin aisles just gave a sense of space and reduced-stress on transcon flights. And they're far more practical, of course, if you're trying to walk back or forward during food service (a beverage cart on a 737-800 is gonna block that aisle for a looooooong time).
Apr 2, 2002 | 1:03 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by onedog:
Maybe they can call them the 737-5,128 (designating one mile in length) or the 757-**** this is a long plane!</font>
Maybe they can call them the 737-5,128 (designating one mile in length) or the 757-**** this is a long plane!</font>
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Apr 2, 2002 | 1:11 pm
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Not to worry about blocked aisles on the Boeing 737-5280. Heard they plan to install a cable, well above the aisle, for passengers to hook onto and then slide forward or backward around the cabin. Of course, one slider at a time. Take a number please.
Just wonder how soon some loving couple will try to join the mile high, mile long, suspended cable club!
Just wonder how soon some loving couple will try to join the mile high, mile long, suspended cable club!
Apr 2, 2002 | 1:11 pm
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Stretching an airframe is nothing new in the aircraft industry. In fact, in the not so distant past, aircraft were publicly marketed as being a "stretch" model, rather than a new -xxx numbered model.
For example, United used to advertise the fact that they were flying "The Newest Stretch DC-8's Non-Stop From Los Angeles To Maui" all the time.
Of course, the reverse is true as well. Some aircraft actually got shortened for special markets and conditions!
How many can remember flying on a funny looking short snub-nosed Boeing 747-SP in the not so distant past?
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For example, United used to advertise the fact that they were flying "The Newest Stretch DC-8's Non-Stop From Los Angeles To Maui" all the time.
Of course, the reverse is true as well. Some aircraft actually got shortened for special markets and conditions!
How many can remember flying on a funny looking short snub-nosed Boeing 747-SP in the not so distant past?
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Apr 2, 2002 | 2:39 pm
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I didn't know CO had taken the 737-900 ... the thing about that aircraft is that it is basically the same passenger wise as the 757-200, but Boeing developed it for 737 operators who wanted to move up in size without having to move up to the 757-200. Of course if CO does not need the cargo space, it might make more sense to go with the 737-900 ...
Apr 2, 2002 | 2:58 pm
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Aren't there plans for a streched out 777? I saw a documentary on the 777, and they were usign a special rig to test out taxing the planned streched version. They were seeing if video cameras would help the pilots taxi the plane more easily since the thing was so darned long.
Anyway, what's wrong with single isle?? I'll take a G-V or a Global Express on a long haul route over a 777, 747, or 767.
Anyway, what's wrong with single isle?? I'll take a G-V or a Global Express on a long haul route over a 777, 747, or 767.
Apr 2, 2002 | 3:28 pm
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If they stretched one of these planes far enough they could have a front exit in Chicago and a rear exit in Minneapolis. Then I think we could argue that the fuel surcharge should be waived since the flight wouldn't require any fuel at all!
Apr 2, 2002 | 4:12 pm
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I haven't flown one of the 757-300. The length wouldn't bother me a bit, as long as I'm in F. Of course, they usually have the same number of F seats as the -200, which makes for a worse F/Y ratio.
I've flown CO's 767-200 and 767-400. The 400 doesn't really seam all that long. The BF is really nice, as it is a big spacious seven rows of 2-1-2 seating with now partitions giving it a spacious feel. In the back, the 400 doesn't seem too long with the twin aisles. It's kind of like a mini 777.
If you haven't flown one of these next-gen 767s with the 777 like interior, you really should -- the difference compared to the old style 767 is tremendous -- much roomier, more airy feel.
I've flown CO's 767-200 and 767-400. The 400 doesn't really seam all that long. The BF is really nice, as it is a big spacious seven rows of 2-1-2 seating with now partitions giving it a spacious feel. In the back, the 400 doesn't seem too long with the twin aisles. It's kind of like a mini 777.
If you haven't flown one of these next-gen 767s with the 777 like interior, you really should -- the difference compared to the old style 767 is tremendous -- much roomier, more airy feel.
Apr 2, 2002 | 4:33 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TA:
Just what is the difference between the 737 and 757? I've heard they have the same fuselage cross section, different wing, different engines? </font>
Just what is the difference between the 737 and 757? I've heard they have the same fuselage cross section, different wing, different engines? </font>
Apr 2, 2002 | 4:43 pm
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Call me overly picky, but the 757 would look a whole lot nicer if the front end resembled the 707/727/737 nose. It is surely Boeing's Edsel (appearance-wise).
Was there an engineering reason for making the nose so unattractive?
Sincerely, Overly Picky
Was there an engineering reason for making the nose so unattractive?
Sincerely, Overly Picky