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Old Mar 8, 2002 | 10:54 am
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FF programs, in my opinion, help the airline's bottom line. Basically, a certain percentage of each ticket price is profit. To reward repeat customers, airlines could refund a percentage of the profits in cash/cheaper prices, or they give this abstract thing called "miles" that sit in an account and DO NOT earn interest. Even better you may never use those miles... so in a sense they give you a discount that is not a discount.

Reminds me of that episode of "Cheers"..
(Forgive my terrible memory)

Woody: "I want a raise"

Rebecca: "Oh.. Is that all you want? I thought you wanted a title. OK the raise.."

Woody: "Hey wait a minute, what is this title thing. Maybe I want that."

Rebecca: "Oh, no Woody. You want a raise and a raise.."

Woody: "I want a title! And I will not take no for an answer!"

Rebecca: "OK.. OK.. I see you have made up your mind. You are now Senior Bartender"



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Old Mar 8, 2002 | 11:10 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by dbaker:

Does life insurance cover this sort of thing? I thought that most policies said that they do not cover deaths that are as a result of war, if declared or not.

With the govt calling 9/11 an act of war, does that make it official?
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nope....

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Old Mar 8, 2002 | 11:14 am
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One point about which I have to agree with the writer -- too much whining from frequent flyers.
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Old Mar 8, 2002 | 11:18 am
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That's why I filter my email.
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Old Mar 8, 2002 | 11:27 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by LewDog:
Guys, guys, guys, wait up....
I heard that the FCC will be imposing a Modem Tax soon, too -- no more BBS'ing!!!

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Lew - I think you're the only one who got it right. I mean, just take a look at how well it's written.

All - It's too bad that the writer won't see the response to his missive. Don't feed the troll. http://www.altairiv.demon.co.uk/troll/trollfaq.html

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Old Mar 8, 2002 | 11:40 am
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This Dude is just jealous cause he has NO STATUS.....
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Old Mar 8, 2002 | 12:01 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Gaucho100K:
This Dude is just jealous cause he has NO STATUS..... </font>
I AGREE 100%, THIS GUY DOES NOT HAVE THE BRAIN TO TRAVEL FOR FREE OR ENJOY ANY KIND OF FREEBIES.

I promise to keep doing my JOB the right way, traveling for free as much as I can.


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Old Mar 8, 2002 | 12:07 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Gaucho100K:
This Dude is just jealous cause he has NO STATUS..... </font>
Actually, I heard he has top level status in Greyhound's program.
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Old Mar 8, 2002 | 12:23 pm
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I'm sure he'll be real successful in convincing all the required congressional representatives. They tend to travel more that a lot of us!
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Old Mar 8, 2002 | 12:41 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Western Airlines:
Interesting how he complains about paying for someone else's vacation, yet fails to explain exactly how his money is used that way. Obviously he thinks his tax money being used for the bailout somehow directly benefits us FF's in the form of free travel. Personally, I think his logic is severely flawed.
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Well, maybe not as flawed as you might think. I would guess that 90+% of top tier FFers get their miles from business travel, all of which is taken as a tax exemption, and the business FFer (and now government traveler) receives them tax free. And the airline cost of the extra First Class seats, special 1K lounges, etc. are also all non-taxed business expenses. The grandmother who only flies once or twice a year to visit her grandchildren has never been in first class and never flies often enough to get a free ticket. Meanwhile the 1Ks here pay not a cent nor any taxes for their upgrades and SWUs and free trips and are forever whining about how they don't get enough.

The taxes the 1Ks DON'T pay, ARE being paid by that grandmother. Non-tax paid business FF miles ARE a tax fraud. Absolutely, and all the rest of us are paying for the 1K's free bennies.

If the email writer were serious, they would not be writing congressmen (probably the most egregious users of FF benefits), but file a simple suit in a District Court. It would take a few dollars, and a little time, but I have no doubt that, given the egalitarian preferences in our society, in a few years, all the FF programs would either be gone or radically changed.

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Old Mar 8, 2002 | 12:51 pm
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The writer is assuming that it costs the airlines money to operate their Frequent Flyer Program. And I would say in most cases that his is probably not true.

First, the airlines get paid by all of their partners (telco's, hotels, restaurants, credit cards, etc.) for their miles (typically $.01 to $.02 a mile) and in many cases receive fixed payments, marketing buckets, etc. as well. I imagine this subsidizes a huge amount of their costs.

Second, every mile awarded is not necessarily ever used. Miles expire, some people will never use, and some will never accumulate enough. I would imagine that 25-50% of miles awarded are never put to use.

Third, as I think someone touched on before, these programs encourage people to fly more and encourage loyalty. It's tough to assign a dollar value to this.

Fourth and finally, redeemed awards may say us $300 on a RT ticket, but actually cost the airlines much, much less. In most cases, FF awards are limited based on loads, so it usually unlikely that they would have forgone revenue anyways.

These programs help airlines in a multitude of ways. Cutting them would actually make the airlines worse off. Something that the writer simply does not understand.

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Old Mar 8, 2002 | 1:28 pm
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Let me start with a few quotes which made me giggle:

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">I am a taxpayer. I work hard for my money so that I can feed my family, but the Government takes a chunk of my income in the form of taxes.</font>
I wonder if he thinks he's the only one of his kind.


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Taxes are essential so that the Government can provide citizens with various services best administered by the state.</font>
I thought taxes were used for pork projects!


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Taxes are not intended for the Government to hand out my hard-earned money to failing businesses.</font>
Is he kidding? The government has been doing that for years. Let's see Chrysler, farm subsidies....
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Below is the heart of his problem---His dear neighbor! This man is simply jealous; that's all.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Everyone knows a "frequent flyer club member". These people are usually your obnoxious neighbors who cannot stop bragging about how they take all their vacations for free in First Class using their "frequent flyer miles". "Free" is a relative term though. Even though they do not pay, their vacations are now being subsidized by my tax dollar.</font>
So is this a call to arms which we as FTers should be alarmed? Nope. Just a bitter man who needs to get over his neighbor.
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Old Mar 8, 2002 | 1:31 pm
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dert- it does cost a/l's money to do ff programs. i spent 2 hrs today talking about an award . i assume that the person is being paid.
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Old Mar 8, 2002 | 1:39 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by brucemcal:
Non-tax paid business FF miles ARE a tax fraud. </font>
Ah, actually no they aren't. At least the IRS doesn't think so, and last I heard they are the last word on tax fraud.
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Old Mar 8, 2002 | 1:48 pm
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I think they're just early. April 1st isn't for another few weeks..
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