I don't know how your state does it, but in Alaska you can have a state ID card as well as a drivers license. A buddy of mine just went down to the DMV, paid the how many ever $ fee and got himself a state ID. He uses it as his primary form of ID and only uses the DL when he needs it.

-Robert

For most states, your expired drivers license IS a valid form of ID for a minimum of SIX months past its expiry date (even for driving). The reason for this is simple, many states do not issue new licences on the spot. They instead issue a flimsy piece of paper that has a validity for anywhere between 2 and 6 months so that you have a "valid" license while waiting for your "photo" license to arrive. As many of these states in fact technically require a photo on the license, the paper license is nothing more than a "receipt" that you have in fact applied and been accepted for a new license. In fact these security idiots HAVE TO in fact accept your expired license as they CANNOT by law accept a paper temp license if it does not have a photo. SOLUTION: Demand that a police officer be brought forward to verify your ID (after six months they may have a case against you).

Erdoc, simply get a replacement Drivers License and whola, you now have two, with neither being expired, so punch away on one.

I would see about the State Id. That would solve your problem.

Here's the difinitive answer to the ID question from the FAA!

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I was in ATL twice last week - the announcement specified that drivers licenses should be removed from wallets and passports opened to the picture page.

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Wrong. The permission to drive on public streets does expire, but the mere identity verification portion of a state ID, such as a driver license, never expirers. The airline employee was full of it. The expiration date on the ID has nothing to do with who you are. It only has to do with the particular driving privilege requirements of your state. There is nothing wrong with using your old DL for ID.

I have a license with a extension on the back. I only show the front through a window in my wallet. It seems hit or miss on different airports if they notify me that I have an expired license and ask to see the extension. DCA and some smaller airports that I have been to recently seem to be the ones to request to see the extension.

A license become invalid when it expires that's fair enough. The main reason is so if you give the expired ID to someone else they can't use it.

http://www.idcheckingguide.com/

According to the FAA site I am not even required (by them) to have a photo id.
http://cas.faa.gov/faq.html

That said if the hassle I got yesterday seems to be repeated I will get another copy of the license when I renew in a few months.

Dear ERDOC,

I started a thread on a subject very similar to yours a few days ago. Finally it happened that I 'joined' a new Sam's Club where the membership card has a photo. I am using this as my second ID where demanded. I don't carry my passport domestically as I agree with you about the need to cut down on the risk of loss.

I hate having my DL used as a form of ID. This is all getting too close to a national identity card.

How many of us are old enough to remember when a Social Security card said 'not to be used as a form of identifcation'?

I'm getting tense!

Find someone who knows the rules. Expired US PPs are valid ID and proof of US citizenship. The following is from a FAQ that may be found on the US State Dept website.

I have a few notes to add to this topic. I spent a few years in the banking industry and we all had to go through an extensive security class. There are significant challenges in dealing with an expired ID:

1. One of the most common forms of fraud is the use of an expired driver's licensev(DL)/state ID card. Expired documents are much easier to obtain than valid and current documents because not that much attention is given to these outdated items.

2. Hole Punch. Be careful, some states punch a hole in DL/ID cards to designate someone as an inmate. Now in light of some current threads in OMNI, I understand that some here are though of as criminals ( ); however you may not want to do this.

3. Expired US Passport as citizenship proof. Yes it is valid to prove that you are a citizen, however merchants, banks and other businesses are not required to accept it as a "valid" i.d.

4. Removing your id. For agents that don't do this they should be fired. The oldest and easiest way to have a fake id is to drop a instant photo under the plastic on top of an id. Another thing removal does it help an agent to "feel" a fake. Many times a fake id has an uneven hump (around the picture) that you can instantly feel.

On a personal note, I don't think this topic makes any sense. If you were attacked or mugged and for some reason the only item you have is an expired id, well then I guess you have to figure out something. If your id has recently expired and you have not received the new document, get a paper copy of the renewal.

In general if you're complaining about having to remove your id too much, leaving it somewhere, etc. That's a pre-school problem and not the airlines.

I wouldn't count on this being th final word. The final word now rests with the person checking the ID. Argue and risk arrest. They know they can act like thugs. They know that if you are arrested, you have to hire a lawyer and possibly travel out of state to that city for trial.

Say words like "gun" or "bomb" and get arrested even if they were not used as threats. Say "Hello, Jack" or even "Greetings, Jack Smith", not "Hi, Jack!" are you risk arrest (actually happened!)