Secret Service Agent Removed from Plane!
Dec 28, 2001 | 12:38 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Plato90s:
Now, let's address recent events. AA's staff exercised the right to eject passengers they cosider a security risk in Paris in the case of the shoe-bomber. Then the the local police assured AA that he was okay. Local police was wrong, leading to a terrorist incident.
Now, mere days later, we have an airline pilot who want to eject a passenger, only to be assured by local police that this passenger was okay. Sound familiar?</font>
Now, let's address recent events. AA's staff exercised the right to eject passengers they cosider a security risk in Paris in the case of the shoe-bomber. Then the the local police assured AA that he was okay. Local police was wrong, leading to a terrorist incident.
Now, mere days later, we have an airline pilot who want to eject a passenger, only to be assured by local police that this passenger was okay. Sound familiar?</font>
Dec 28, 2001 | 12:38 pm
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Err.. afraid I must respectfully disagree..
"The president is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, but if he's onboard a Navy vessel, the captain has the right to order even the President around if the captain chooses the exercise his command authority."
At which point the President says: "You are hereby relieved of command by direction." The (former) Captain is now a passenger. Understand, that there is NO higher authority in the US Military than POTUS. None. Under NO circumstances is he "outranked". Not on a plane, train or automobile and sure as heck not on a Naval vessel.
He is THE Executive Authority for the United States Government.
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"The president is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, but if he's onboard a Navy vessel, the captain has the right to order even the President around if the captain chooses the exercise his command authority."
At which point the President says: "You are hereby relieved of command by direction." The (former) Captain is now a passenger. Understand, that there is NO higher authority in the US Military than POTUS. None. Under NO circumstances is he "outranked". Not on a plane, train or automobile and sure as heck not on a Naval vessel.
He is THE Executive Authority for the United States Government.
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Dec 28, 2001 | 12:39 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Jet'Dillo:
How do you know that the you're talking to a real federal agent on the other end of that phone call that would have "only taken 10 minutes"?</font>
How do you know that the you're talking to a real federal agent on the other end of that phone call that would have "only taken 10 minutes"?</font>
what makes you think that the local authorities (or the captain for that matter) would have called a phone number given by the agent in question? you don't think the state police at BWI have another number to the secret service on a rolodex someplace? our local secret service office has it's phone number listed inside the cover of our phone book!
the captain was way outside his responsibility for the airplane. keeping the agent off the airplane became CYA for the captain in question. this goof finally left for DFW knowing full well that there would be management waiting at the gate. his judgement was so poor, that I agree with those who feel he should make a career change.
Dec 28, 2001 | 1:32 pm
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Jumping in late here, but isn't it a fact that the agent's paperwork had some inconsistencies? [Correct me if I am wrong.]If so, what choice did the pilot have?
Dec 28, 2001 | 1:35 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Plato90s:
The answer is... yes.</font>
The answer is... yes.</font>
I'm surprised you haven't advocated the idea of the Secret Service agent being removed from the airport by a SWAT team.
Dec 28, 2001 | 1:43 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by cactuspete:
Jumping in late here, but isn't it a fact that the agent's paperwork had some inconsistencies? [Correct me if I am wrong.]If so, what choice did the pilot have? </font>
Jumping in late here, but isn't it a fact that the agent's paperwork had some inconsistencies? [Correct me if I am wrong.]If so, what choice did the pilot have? </font>
AA hasn't explained what the inconsistancies were either. So we don't know if it's a mountain or a mole hill.
Dec 28, 2001 | 2:57 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">``There's an inquiry going on as to specifically what took place,'' the president said at his Crawford, Texas, ranch. ``If he was treated that way because of his ethnicity, that will make me madder than heck.''
Bush said he had spoken with the agent, who was a member of the president's security detail. ``I told him how proud I was that he was by my side,'' Bush said.</font>
Bush said he had spoken with the agent, who was a member of the president's security detail. ``I told him how proud I was that he was by my side,'' Bush said.</font>
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Dec 28, 2001 | 3:00 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CA Platinum:
Having read ALL of your posts related to this subject, I can only say that you are one scary individual. The theories, assumptions and comparisons you have made throughout this thread have been nothing short of shocking!
I'm surprised you haven't advocated the idea of the Secret Service agent being removed from the airport by a SWAT team.</font>
Having read ALL of your posts related to this subject, I can only say that you are one scary individual. The theories, assumptions and comparisons you have made throughout this thread have been nothing short of shocking!
I'm surprised you haven't advocated the idea of the Secret Service agent being removed from the airport by a SWAT team.
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What happened to equality?
I don't recall seeing so much outrage when another FT member was ejected from his flight for using a cell phone and criticizing an FA. The idea of special treatment for law enforcement agents, Secret Service or not, is not something I agree with.
Airline staff are nervous. Some people are ejected wrongly, others correctly [read: shoe-bomber in CDG] and, frankly, I don't find the idea of ejecting a SS agent any more special or unnerving than ejecting a college professor or any law-abiding citizen.
Dec 28, 2001 | 3:21 pm
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This is unbelievable. The Secret Service agent has already made a committment to lay down his life for the President. You or I have not. For AA, through its Captain, which for the moment, it is still supporting, to deny passage to such an agent on official business is, arguably, to comprimise national security. So I hereby, publicly, accuse American Airlines of same.
How could anyone knowingly ride as a passenger on an aircraft piloted by such a bonehead? And how could anyone knowingly continue to patronize an airline that continues to support such a bonehead?
It's all about judgement. If yours stinks today, it probably will stink tomorrow.
How could anyone knowingly ride as a passenger on an aircraft piloted by such a bonehead? And how could anyone knowingly continue to patronize an airline that continues to support such a bonehead?
It's all about judgement. If yours stinks today, it probably will stink tomorrow.
Dec 28, 2001 | 3:40 pm
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An American Airlines spokesman said the pilot was troubled by "inconsistencies" in the paperwork required for the agent to carry a weapon on the aircraft
The Secret Service confirmed that an agent, whom it would not identify, was asked to leave a flight from Baltimore-Washington International Airport to Dallas, Texas.
The pilot was not satisfied with the responses of the agent, who was armed and in civilian clothes, said Jim Mackin, a Secret Service spokesman
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/12/28/rec...ine/index.html
The Secret Service confirmed that an agent, whom it would not identify, was asked to leave a flight from Baltimore-Washington International Airport to Dallas, Texas.
The pilot was not satisfied with the responses of the agent, who was armed and in civilian clothes, said Jim Mackin, a Secret Service spokesman
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/12/28/rec...ine/index.html
Dec 28, 2001 | 4:01 pm
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From CNN, "Even when local transit police vouched for the agent, the pilot refused to let him board the plane"
There is an old clich, "A picture says a thousand words". You can live in a state of constant denial, but we all know what really happened on this plane.
There is an old clich, "A picture says a thousand words". You can live in a state of constant denial, but we all know what really happened on this plane.
Dec 28, 2001 | 4:23 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by RichG:
This is unbelievable. The Secret Service agent has already made a committment to lay down his life for the President. You or I have not. For AA, through its Captain, which for the moment, it is still supporting, to deny passage to such an agent on official business is, arguably, to comprimise national security. So I hereby, publicly, accuse American Airlines of same.
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This is unbelievable. The Secret Service agent has already made a committment to lay down his life for the President. You or I have not. For AA, through its Captain, which for the moment, it is still supporting, to deny passage to such an agent on official business is, arguably, to comprimise national security. So I hereby, publicly, accuse American Airlines of same.
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If this agent was vitally needed as part of Bush's detail, he'd be on Air Force One.
Personally, I find more respect for a fireman or policeman who risk his life for ANY citizen who might need his assistance, not just those important enough to rate special protection.
Police/firemen die in the line of duty on a daily basis while, to the best of my knowledge, not a single SS agent on the Presidential Detail has ever done so.
SS agents are paid much more than police/firemen and they risk less.
I know which person I will respect more.
Dec 28, 2001 | 4:46 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Rssrsvp:
You can live in a state of constant denial, but we all know what really happened on this plane.</font>
You can live in a state of constant denial, but we all know what really happened on this plane.</font>
Dec 28, 2001 | 4:47 pm
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Just as an FYI:
Secret Service Officer Leslie Coffelt was killed in 1950 while defending President Harry Truman during an assassination attempt.
Others have been wounded in the line of duty, including one shot in the throat.
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Secret Service Officer Leslie Coffelt was killed in 1950 while defending President Harry Truman during an assassination attempt.
Others have been wounded in the line of duty, including one shot in the throat.
Regards,
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