From the department of "minimum wage workers now being forced to do their job so you will suffer"

I pulled the following paragraph from the CNN website at http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/08/gen...ror/index.html

That's all there is...no details.

This is really STUPID IMHO. I have any number of flights scheduled during the rest of this year where I am making an interline transfer (between carriers). I would have to go out of security, claim my bag (if it's even there), and go back through security to make my connection on the other carrier.

Now that we've given billions of tax dollars to the airline industry, why don't we just finally demand they have equal, modern equipment at all airports and pay a decent salary for competent screeners...and yes, these (if anyone) should be federal employees. Frankly, let them privatize the Post Office, where bad decisions and slow workers will only jeapordize some letters. I'd really like to see the screeners be part of a federal policing agency.

There's been a similar thread on ITYT for a few days.

This has also been noted as a possibility previously in related threads you may wish to see if interested:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/002999.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum1/HTML/005153.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/002933.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum50/HTML/008189.html

[This message has been edited by doc (edited 10-08-2001).]

According to the NBC News it is now the rule by the FAA.

I bet my computer bag is too big to qualify as a briefcase. It's pretty bulky. Definitely of a size to fit under the seat with no problem, but you could easily fit two laptops in it (the extra space is for power cords and stuff), plus there's a compartment for papers, plus it's bulky with padding.

It sounds like a rollaboard suiter and a briefcasecomputer bag is allowable. This actually sounds reasonable since this is what the airlines officially allow. If you carry a purse, you will need to leave enough room to put it in your suitcase while going through security.

This sounds much like the rules in place already (but, as has been complained about many times on these boards, previously unenforced). It will stop tourists from stuffing the overheads with two huge carry-ons, which will be an improvement, if anything.

What's the big deal?

Now they will enforce the rules they should've been enforcing anyway. Security lines will be shortened because now fewer bags to open and search? Last Fri at PHL took over 1 hour to get to thru security. Doesn't make me feel any safer once in the air though. The crazy guy who barged into the cockpit on the AA flight today didn't have any boxcutters or threats of a bomb....he just stormed the allegedly reinforced cockpit door!

I think it depends what the personal article is. It is a laptop bag that most people carry then it should be fine. If not, I think a lot of business travelers who fly every week will spend a lot more extra time checking-in bags and waiting to reclaim the bags.

I personally will not like it if I cannot carryon my laptop case and a rollerboard because it takes so long to wait for bags to come out. If only they were more efficient and don't lose that many bags, more people would be willing to check bags in. Why is it in HKG, they can have bags out within 10 minutes of landing for a 747?

Press release at:

http://www.faa.gov/apa/pr/pr.cfm?id=1419

Quote:

Screener checkpoints:
� Only ticketed passengers are allowed beyond the
screener checkpoints, except for those with specific medical or
parental needs.
� Each traveler will be limited to one carry-on bag and one
personal bag (i.e., purse or briefcase).
� All electronic items, such as laptops and cell phones,
may be subjected to additional screening. Be prepared to remove
your laptop from its travel case so that both can be X-rayed
separately.
� Limit metal objects worn on person.
� Travelers should remove all metal objects prior to
passing through the metal detectors in order to facilitate the
screening process.

So.... is this a briefcase?

Tumi
SAFECASE DELUXE ORGANIZER COMPUTER BRIEF
Style: 2624�9624

Center computer section; front compartment; rear accordion file section; back pocket.

17.5'' x 14'' x 8''
44 cm x 36 cm x 20 cm

Fusion Z
Black
Napa Leather
Black

This oughta be fun...

"Sir, that's not a briefcase"

"Yes it is. Here is the brochure that describes it"

"No, it's a SAFECASE DELUXE ORGANIZER COMPUTER BRIEF"

"What's the difference?"

"I can't tell you what a briefcase is. I can only tell this isn't one"

"AAAARRGGGHHH"

Diver90

[This message has been edited by Diver90 (edited 10-09-2001).]

The problem with this I see is that the biggest problem is with getting computers through the screening. Now you have to take the computer out, put it on the conveyer separately, they scan the computer, the scan the bag, the don't like what's in the bag (usually cables, batteries, disk drives, etc.), so then they take the bag and do an explosives scan on it, maybe a hand check, then you have to put the computer back in the bag, and you're finally back on your way.

Even if carry ons were strictly limited to one, the computer would be the carry-on of choice over most other bags for obvious reasons. Of course, it might keep people from bringing computers in some cases, so that would help.

The big deals:

If I bought a ticket that allowed 2 carry-ons, and now I'm only allowed 1, they've changed the rules and I want a partial refund.

If I decide to fly (lets say) Northwest to Vegas and connect to America West to LA (specifically using two different tickets to save hundreds on inflated airfare) I would need to leave security, retrieve checked bags, have them inspected again, and likely miss the second flight.

If I do check my bags, and the airline makes a temporary diversion to another airport due to weather or something, I can remove my carry-on bag and make alternate arrangements. (This happened to me twice this year. On a business trip to Houston. The plane landed in New Orleans. I was with an associate who checked and received his luggage only after the business trip was over. I had mine with me.

United just lost a case in court where they tried to impose their carry-on limits (this time in size) on other airlines. If it is my choice to fly a carrier that allows 2 bigger bags, or if I choose to fly in First class for that benefit, how can the FAA sumarially decide that this free-market factor is no longer to be considered?

And finally, as almost everyone here really knows THIS IS NOT SECURITY. THIS IS THE ILLUSION OF SECURITY. GUNS, KNIVES, LIQUIDS ARE PASSING THROUGH THE SCREENERS CONSTANTLY. EVERY INDEPENDENT TEST OF THE SYSTEM HAS FAILED. LIMITING CARRY-ONS WILL DO NOTHING FOR SECURITY, IT WILL JUST KEEP MORE PEOPLE OFF PLANES AND FURTHER WORSEN THE ECONOMY.

If they were serious about security of bags, every bag should be hand inspected, carried to the plane by the passenger, loaded into the cargo hold with the passenger wittnessing it, and retreived in the same way upon landing (much like a small commuter plane or bus). Then I'd put all my bags in the cargo hold, knowing I'd get them back.

They said this morning it's one roll-aboard and a briefcase or computer bag. My bet is there will still be people with a roll aboard, a computer and a briefcase. It just doesn't seem possibleto eliminate it all together.

Personally, I'm thrilled that the idiot with the 2 suitcases, garment bag, briefcase and computer bag will not be delaying my flight any longer. They hit you in the face after you board early, and there always seems to be some correlation between the later some one boards a flight, the more carry on luggage they carried.

We took a convenience and turned it into a "right".

As to the "public safety" aspect, opening and inspecting every bag, regardless of where it goes on the plane is something they should have been doing for years.

You're still allowed 2. Only now they're specifiying that one of them must be a purse/briefcase.

Feel free to write and request a refund; let us know what response you get.

With all due respect, I'd say you're in the minority on this one as far as the general travelling population is concerned (please, let's not have everyone who interlines jump all over me!). It's still your prerogative to do this, only now you'll have to allow more connecting time and it will admittedly become more inconvenient. But then again, air travel as a whole has become more inconvenient--I never had to show up for flights 2+ hours early, but I do now. If I choose to fly, I'll find a way to deal with it.

Besides, with all the schedule/service changes in place these days, I'd guess those pax who interline might be forced to reevaluate intineraries anyway.

Quote:

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">If I do check my bags, and the airline makes a temporary diversion to another airport due to weather or something, I can remove my carry-on bag and make alternate arrangements....

All due respect again, it may be time, then, to reevaluate how you pack your "large" carry-on (and your "briefcase," for that matter): i.e., essential work materials and one or two changes of clothes, and check the rest.Yes, travelling sucks these days, but we're all going to have to adapt whether we like it or not.

Quote:

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">United just lost a case in court where they tried to impose their carry-on limits (this time in size) on other airlines.

IIRC, the UA case applied to the size of all bags, and it was smaller than most other carriers allowed. This is not the same thing. You'll still get to bring one carry-on that you might need a crowbar to stuff into the overhead bin (although getting the crowbar thru security might be a problem).

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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">If it is my choice to fly a carrier that allows 2 bigger bags, or if I choose to fly in First class for that benefit, how can the FAA sumarially decide that this free-market factor is no longer to be considered?

Q. Where does an 800-lb. gorilla sit?
A. Anywhere it wants to.

[b] Couldn't agree with you more.




[This message has been edited by SuperSlug (edited 10-09-2001).]