Getting Bumped...
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Getting Bumped...
I know it's been discussed many times but after looking through the search I couldn't find an answer to a specific question.
Is a bump more likely on a 200 seater or a 50 seater? If going for a bump which would be the smarter segment.
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Anyway, I'm on a rewards flight to go back home for christmas and the flight is BDL-STL-SFO with the first being a 50 seat flight, second 150 seat MD-80. The itinerary is for Dec 21 (Wednesday), both planes showing currently to be full.
What's the likeliness of getting bumped, just from peoples experiences?
Do they provide rewards travelers with additional free travel or will look at me funny for volunteering on a rewards flight at check-in?
Is a bump more likely on a 200 seater or a 50 seater? If going for a bump which would be the smarter segment.
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Anyway, I'm on a rewards flight to go back home for christmas and the flight is BDL-STL-SFO with the first being a 50 seat flight, second 150 seat MD-80. The itinerary is for Dec 21 (Wednesday), both planes showing currently to be full.
What's the likeliness of getting bumped, just from peoples experiences?
Do they provide rewards travelers with additional free travel or will look at me funny for volunteering on a rewards flight at check-in?
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Originally Posted by bumpme
You'd like to see all zeroes in all fare buckets. There's no clear difference between the likelyhood of getting bumped on a 50 seater versus a 200 seater. In that respect, the timing of your flights is a bigger factor.
Like... I was thinking. The likeliness of getting bumped is much higher on the weekend because there's more travel on the weekend but at the same time if a flight is oversold on a weekday it seems like more of those would be non-refundable fares (less business flights) and would probably be more likely to be bumped. This is somewhat fuzzy logic, but I have no experience. Anyone know a site or thread that discusses this thouroughly?
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Originally Posted by Khabibul35
That's what I figured, are the any other odd coincidences that happen with being bumped.
Originally Posted by Khabibul35
Like... I was thinking. The likeliness of getting bumped is much higher on the weekend because there's more travel on the weekend but at the same time if a flight is oversold on a weekday it seems like more of those would be non-refundable fares (less business flights) and would probably be more likely to be bumped. This is somewhat fuzzy logic, but I have no experience. Anyone know a site or thread that discusses this thouroughly?
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Originally Posted by Khabibul35
Do they provide rewards travelers with additional free travel or will look at me funny for volunteering on a rewards flight at check-in?
I chained a few bumps off of a reward ticket. A couple of times they upgraded me on my rescheduled flight. On all they gave me what every other volunteer received (which was usually a free roundtrip ticket).
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Bumping scenario
A flight is overbooked and you're the first to volunteer. They offer a Free Ticket and you accept. Later they find they need more volunteers and up the offer... to (whatever). Do you get the original amount you agreed to, or do they figure you'd get pretty pissed being the one to volunteer and get screwed because of it.
I figure you have to give everyone the same amount. If I talked to someone else and found out they got twice as much, I'd be pretty mad. Anyone know the airlines' practices?
I figure you have to give everyone the same amount. If I talked to someone else and found out they got twice as much, I'd be pretty mad. Anyone know the airlines' practices?
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Since I've never done this before, anyone have any sort of tips as to how to go about this? Do I ask at check-in or at the gate? When is it best to ask/arrive? Is it rude to ask more than once? Can I (non-elite) get #1 on the list? Are there any strategies to get them to up their offer? When to ask to get rerouted to a new destination?
I'm just so fuzzy about what to do, and afraid to be beat out... anyone have any tips as to a sort of systematic way to ask to be bumped once a ticket is already booked?
I'm just so fuzzy about what to do, and afraid to be beat out... anyone have any tips as to a sort of systematic way to ask to be bumped once a ticket is already booked?
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Originally Posted by Khabibul35
Since I've never done this before, anyone have any sort of tips as to how to go about this? Do I ask at check-in or at the gate? When is it best to ask/arrive? Is it rude to ask more than once? Can I (non-elite) get #1 on the list? Are there any strategies to get them to up their offer? When to ask to get rerouted to a new destination?
At the gate, ask about the likelyhood of being bumped. If it's good, then inquire about compensation (most likely a free round-trip ticket) and how they'll get you to your final destination. If you don't like the answer, you can always remove yourself from the list. The only way they'll sweeten the offer is if they can't get enough volunteers.
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Anyone know the airlines' practices?

It is good practice before you say, "Yes, bump me!" to ask them what they are offering and if they can confirm you on the next available flight.
Never, never take the free ticket (unless that is the only thing they are offering... in which case still ask for the Credit Voucher, they may give it to you).
(I know the below is true for NW, not sure of other airlines)
You don't earn miles on the free ticket.
Free tickets come from the same class as award flights, so they can be hard to book.
Last edited by infinityplusone; Dec 12, 2005 at 5:31 pm
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Originally Posted by Khabibul35
Since I've never done this before, anyone have any sort of tips as to how to go about this? Do I ask at check-in or at the gate? When is it best to ask/arrive? Is it rude to ask more than once? Can I (non-elite) get #1 on the list? Are there any strategies to get them to up their offer? When to ask to get rerouted to a new destination?
I'm just so fuzzy about what to do, and afraid to be beat out... anyone have any tips as to a sort of systematic way to ask to be bumped once a ticket is already booked?
I'm just so fuzzy about what to do, and afraid to be beat out... anyone have any tips as to a sort of systematic way to ask to be bumped once a ticket is already booked?
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Odd
I sometimes fly as a non-rev on Continental. On a number of flights this summer I was trying to get on a fully booked (or overbooked) ERJ. I got on every time, and I wasn't the only one. Some of them were booked at 54 when the capacity was 50. I was completely mystified, as on the larger aircraft I have sometimes been unable to board even when there were lots of seats available the day before.
It doesn't surprise me so much out of a hub like Houston or Newark, but it DOES surprise me in PIT! That's another key: are you flying on a major carrier at its hub? Because there's a much higher noshow due to misconnects in that situation.
It doesn't surprise me so much out of a hub like Houston or Newark, but it DOES surprise me in PIT! That's another key: are you flying on a major carrier at its hub? Because there's a much higher noshow due to misconnects in that situation.
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Originally Posted by hotturnip
I sometimes fly as a non-rev on Continental. On a number of flights this summer I was trying to get on a fully booked (or overbooked) ERJ. I got on every time, and I wasn't the only one. Some of them were booked at 54 when the capacity was 50. I was completely mystified, as on the larger aircraft I have sometimes been unable to board even when there were lots of seats available the day before.
It doesn't surprise me so much out of a hub like Houston or Newark, but it DOES surprise me in PIT! That's another key: are you flying on a major carrier at its hub? Because there's a much higher noshow due to misconnects in that situation.
It doesn't surprise me so much out of a hub like Houston or Newark, but it DOES surprise me in PIT! That's another key: are you flying on a major carrier at its hub? Because there's a much higher noshow due to misconnects in that situation.
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Definitely, definitely try to get cash or a credit voucher. Sometimes you have a choice (voucher$ = 2x cash$ in me experience), and cash seems to only make an appearance on big international routes.
Trading time for $ is good, getting miles along with it (the flight your credit buys) is even better..
Trading time for $ is good, getting miles along with it (the flight your credit buys) is even better..
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On AA everyone gets the final, highest offer.
I'm surprised that any airline has a different policy. Aside from the ethical issues involved and the hassling of agents that is sure to ensue from people who feel (with some justification, IMHO) that they were wronged, it's hardly the best way to get people to volunteer quickly.
I'm surprised that any airline has a different policy. Aside from the ethical issues involved and the hassling of agents that is sure to ensue from people who feel (with some justification, IMHO) that they were wronged, it's hardly the best way to get people to volunteer quickly.

