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MaryAO Feb 16, 2006 10:32 am

Have been accum. pts like this for a few years. It is a lot of work :rolleyes:
My husband thinks I'm crazy but loves the free nights and vouchers from airlines due to getting us bumped. It has almost become a way of life.
What next??? I just keep reading all the posts and learning :)

caprivi Mar 6, 2006 9:24 pm

I'm seeking some ideas on an ideal CC strategy. Here's a bit about my profile:
- Consultant...travels 90% of the time.
- Have a lot of United miles (600K)...not looking for any more.
- Used to fly United exclusively, but now distributing to other US airlines. Used to fly a lot of international routes, but not so much anymore.
- Stay almost exclusively at Marriott properties during travel.
- Cashback seems more appealing to me right now since have accrued a lot of United miles and Marriott points, and when I do travel for vacation, I usually stay with friends or go the adventure route.

I seem so spend primarily on hotels, rental cars, and restaurants, a bit on gas, negligible on groceries.

The Amex TrueSavings 3/2/1 card seems intriguing, except I don't shop at Costco. I've just gotten the Starwood and Hilton Amex cards. I'm looking for a card that has good car rental coverage, and others to maximize returns on restaurant and hotel spending. Of course no/low fees are better, and it can not be a Chase card.

Thanks in advance.

itsme Mar 6, 2006 9:46 pm


Originally Posted by caprivi
I'm seeking some ideas on an ideal CC strategy. Here's a bit about my profile:
- Consultant...travels 90% of the time.
- Have a lot of United miles (600K)...not looking for any more.
- Used to fly United exclusively, but now distributing to other US airlines. Used to fly a lot of international routes, but not so much anymore.
- Stay almost exclusively at Marriott properties during travel.
- Cashback seems more appealing to me right now since have accrued a lot of United miles and Marriott points, and when I do travel for vacation, I usually stay with friends or go the adventure route.

I seem so spend primarily on hotels, rental cars, and restaurants, a bit on gas, negligible on groceries.

The Amex TrueSavings 3/2/1 card seems intriguing, except I don't shop at Costco. I've just gotten the Starwood and Hilton Amex cards. I'm looking for a card that has good car rental coverage, and others to maximize returns on restaurant and hotel spending. Of course no/low fees are better, and it can not be a Chase card.

Thanks in advance.

Welcome to FlyerTalk, caprivi! (Will leave it to those better informed than I to advise you on the credit card choice.)

Recreation Mar 7, 2006 7:11 am


Originally Posted by gregorygrady
I don't know about this comparison either. The 10K SPG Amex enrollment bonus is actually only 4K (the other 6K requires 10 stays at SPG hotels within the first year). Likewise, the 20K HH Amex enrollment bonus is actually a straight 10K bonus and then the other 10K come from 4 HH stays. BTW, there is actually an offer out there for a HH 25K enrollment bonus. Look on pgary's website, it's a great source of info and a lot of this thread is already dealt with on that website.

In Dec '05 I signed up for an SPG Plat AMEX via the link on this site and I was given a 6k sign-up reward.

toomanybooks Mar 7, 2006 11:13 am


Originally Posted by caprivi
I'm seeking some ideas on an ideal CC strategy. Here's a bit about my profile:
- Consultant...travels 90% of the time.
- Have a lot of United miles (600K)...not looking for any more.
- Used to fly United exclusively, but now distributing to other US airlines. Used to fly a lot of international routes, but not so much anymore.
- Stay almost exclusively at Marriott properties during travel.
- Cashback seems more appealing to me right now since have accrued a lot of United miles and Marriott points, and when I do travel for vacation, I usually stay with friends or go the adventure route.

I seem so spend primarily on hotels, rental cars, and restaurants, a bit on gas, negligible on groceries.

The Amex TrueSavings 3/2/1 card seems intriguing, except I don't shop at Costco. I've just gotten the Starwood and Hilton Amex cards. I'm looking for a card that has good car rental coverage, and others to maximize returns on restaurant and hotel spending. Of course no/low fees are better, and it can not be a Chase card.

Thanks in advance.


You don't have to shop at Costco to get a Costco membership; I assume you can do it online. $45 at most a year; if you can find somebody to sign you up as an associate it's $35 at most. You can shop for TVs, digital cameras, digital memory cards, etc. online, at very good prices.

For you, it appears to me it would be hard to beat 3% cashback on restaurant purchases and in many cases 2% on travel (rental cars, airline purchases, etc.)

Often a Costco membership discount applied in addition to, say a Southwest car rental reservation, gives me about the best deal I can find ($13 a day in CLE recently for a mid-size).

They also have good deals on web space/ISP accounts, Sharebuilder, etc.

Costco Executive ($100 a year) has extra benefits.

caprivi Mar 7, 2006 11:49 am

Maybe Costco is another option then. Is there a link for any signup bonus or do i just go to the Costco/Amex site?
Thanks.

toomanybooks Mar 7, 2006 2:11 pm


Originally Posted by caprivi
Maybe Costco is another option then. Is there a link for any signup bonus or do i just go to the Costco/Amex site?
Thanks.

I am not aware of any sign-up bonus to join Costco or to get the Costco Amex card.

If somebody "refers" you, he gets a few bucks or a few months membership. I'd be happy to do that and split the proceeds if you PM me your details.

LGA Mar 11, 2006 8:07 am


Originally Posted by gregorygrady
...But I hope you've also already signed up for the AA Mastercard, with no-fee for six months (which means signup, get your points, and then cancel). It comes with either a 25,000 HH points or 30,000 HH points signup bonus (whoops, I mean 12,500 or 15K AA miles bonus ;) ). Last I checked though there's a $25 fee to transfer from AA to HH so this isn't as valuable as it previously was, but hey, free HH points are free HH points right.

Had to do a little hunting to find this: https://redeemaamiles.points.com/home.jsp

Decent value if you want one of those Scandic awards via HH. Handy to know. Thanks, gregorygrady.

best Mar 11, 2006 9:31 am

Did you ask MBNA for the reason?


Originally Posted by chrsb
I got a letter from MNBA for my Merrill card and they are increasing my APR to 8.9 from 5.9 for some unknown reason (I charge anywhere from 10k-30k a month on this and usually pay it off) With them changing the rewards program and the APR it is time to find a new Visa or Mastercard.

I already have a Platnium AE and a Starwood card and charge what I can on those (1k-2k a month). I also have an Quantem World Points card with MNBA.

What I want to achieve with my credit cards is a free vacation each year, I would love to charge everyting to the Starwood card but the place where I spend the 10k-30k a month only takes Visa or Mastercard.

I live in the Detroit area and am pretty sure Northwest is my best bet for an airline plus I have around 80k miles with them. I already have the Platnium Northwest card, am thinking of canceling that and getting the Signature one for the bonus miles.

I have been looking at the HH visa card, and so far it looks to be in the final running. I was wondering if anybody else has anymore sugestions. I have excellent credit so I can get any card. I would like to gain status also with my card. I am gold with Starwood already. Any help would be appreciated!

Chris B


shragak Mar 12, 2006 7:02 pm

Diners club
 

Originally Posted by gleff
How to choose the best credit card

One of the most frequently asked questions on MilesBuzz is what credit card should I use? It's been discussed over and over, and still comes up frequently. I'd like to create a single repository of information in the hopes that it's useful to the 70,000+ members and countless more lurkers that come here. Why re-invent the wheel every time?

With this post I intend to outline the major issues that I believe should affect your choice of mileage-earning credit card and to offer some specific suggestions that will work in most circumstances.

Caveat: this post is entirely US-centric, and doesn't deal with the best cards for individuals based in other countries.

Feel free to leave comments if you feel like I'm missing any important issue, or if you'd like specific feedback on your own situation. This is a work in progress, but I hope that in the future we'll be able to direct members to this thread when the 'best credit card' question comes up.

Note that the bulk of this post is adapted from a piece on my blog, so apologize that some of the links are to more detailed explanations there.

  • Do you pay your bill in full at the end of each month? If not, stop. You may not want a mileage-earning card. At a minimum, miles probably shouldn't determine what card you choose. Instead, you want a card with the lowest interest rates. Perhaps you have balances already, look for a card with 0% balance transfers (and then pay very close attention to the card's terms and conditions in order to retain that 0% rate.)

  • How much spending are you going to put on the card? Signup bonuses aside (I'll talk about those shortly), if you aren't going to put more than $1000 a month on the card on average, it may not make sense to get a card with an annual fee. For instance, many airlines have free cards that offer one mile per two dollars spent. At $12,000 in annual spending, that's 6000 fewer miles but you'll save $60 - $80. You're basically buying those miles at 1 to 1.25 cents apiece. At lower levels of spending you're buying the miles at a higher premium. The enhanced earning that comes from cards with an annual fee may not make sense unless you're putting substantial charges on the card.

  • Are you striving for elite membership in a program? Check whether that program's co-branded credit card will help you get there.

    1. Many hotel programs give you their lowest level of status for taking their program's credit card. The Hilton Visa gives you silver status the first year, enough to qualify for their elites-only awards. The Hilton American Express offers silver status as long as you hold the card and Gold status for spending $20,000 on the card in a calendar year. Both cards are free. Starwood gives you 'Preferred Plus' status for taking its credit card, basically Gold without the bonus points for spending money at their hotels. Marriott gives you Silver status for taking its Visa card as well.

    2. The new United Visa Signature Platinum Class offers up to 15,000 Elite Qualifying Miles in the first year of cardmembership based on a combination of spending and United purchases (up to 10,000 qualifying miles in subsequent years). The Delta Skymiles Platinum American Express comes with Elite Qualifying Miles, both with first purchase and based on annual spend. In the past the USAirways Visa Signature has offered miles towards elite status based on annual spend, though I don't think that's currently the case. However, the USAirways card does offer some of the benefits of first-tier elite status such as preferred checkin and boarding along with the occasional upgrade.

      Update: There are now two competing USAirways credit cards. The one from Juniper Bank is a better deal, offering fee waived for 2 years, 15k bonus miles with first purchase, 1.5 miles per $ for the first year, preferred checkin and boarding, and an annual club pass.

  • Do you spend a lot with 'everyday purchase' retailers like grocery stores, restaurants, or the US Postal Service? If you do, consider a card that offers bonuses for that kind of spending. Consider both the Delta American Express and the Hilton American Express. Since my primary mileage accumulation isn't in a Delta account, I choose to hold the no annual fee Hilton card and I use it specifically at grocery stores and restaurants.

  • Do you fly a particular airline? Miles towards elite status aside, there are some cards that offer specific benefits which are useful when traveling with their co-branded partner. Without these types of benefits, I'm not a fan of picking a credit card based on the airline that you fly. You're already earning miles with that airline and if you have enough of a balance to claim the awards you want it's better to diversify into other programs. That makes things much easier when it comes time to try to redeem -- if your main program doesn't have availability, perhaps your second or third program will. That said, some cards like the Alaska Airlines Visa Signature offer nice benefits to customers that fly the airline such as an annual $50 companion ticket (unlike most companion tickets, this one can actually be used -- on any published fare), lounge passes, and day of departure upgrade certificates.


General advice

If you pay your bill in full every month, charge a decent amount to the card, and don't have special needs like help making elite status, then some general advice is probably most useful.

The best general, all-purpose rewards card is the Starwood American Express card.

It's free the first year and $30 thereafter, comes with a signup bonus of 6,000 points with your first purchase and up to 6,000 more for hotel stays, and offers points which can be used for hotel nights or converted 1:1 into most airline programs.

When you covert 20,000 points at a time into airline miles Starwood gives you 5,000 bonus miles -- which means you're really earning 1.25 miles per dollar on most every carrier, better earning than most airlines' own co-branded offerings. The flexibility, though, is the best benefit. With, say, an American Airlines Mastercard you're stuck with American Airlines miles. With the Starwood American Express you earn whatever miles you want and you don't have to decide until later.

An example of the power of this card -- spend $50,000 on the United Visa or American Mastercard, and you have enough miles for a coach ticket to Europe. Spend $50,000 on the Starwood American Express, and you can transfer those 50,000 points to Cathay Pacific in exchange for 60,000 Asia Miles which are enough for a business class ticket on British Airways from the East Coast of the U.S. to most destinations in Europe.

Be aware, though, that transfers from Starwood into an airline program are not instantaneous so you may not be able to reserve your award before making a transfer on carriers that don't let you hold awards (e.g. Northwest) or that don't permit you to hold them for very long (e.g. United at 72 hours).
Still, with Starwood I can stay at some of the top hotels in the world and my airline mileage earning is supersized, 25% better than airline cards themselves. This is by far the best all-around mileage earning card.

I also carry a Diners Club card and a Hilton American Express.

The Diners Club card is now a Mastercard, so it's accepted universally. I use the card with merchants that don't take American Express. Their points program offers transfers into most airline and hotel programs. I can even launder United or American miles into other programs through this program (with some devaluation).

Since Diners Club became a Mastercard, it lost some of its unique features -- such as two billing cycles to pay and a lower than usual foreign currency conversion charge. But it maintains its primary insurance coverage on rental cars, and since it's a Mastercard it's useful for airline and hotel promotions that require payments with that brand of card (such as Hyatt's outstanding Faster Free Nights promo).
Downsides to the card are a charge for transferring points to airline miles (95 cents per 1000 miles) and a $90 annual fee. I rent cars enough to make this worthwhile.

I use the Hilton American Express only for things where I earn bonus points. I use it at the grocery store and at restaurants and my cell phone bill is automatically charged to the card. I run no more than $1000 or $1500 a month on this card. If I ever run out of Gold status with Hilton, I'll probably notch up the spending to reach $20,000 to retain my status.

Full disclosure, I also carry other cards that stand apart from this general advice. For example, I have an American Express Platinum card with Membership Rewards because it provides a greater credit line than traditional points-earning cards.

It's useful to me for charging large events, and has lots of extras like lounge access (Continental, Delta, and Northwest), elite status with Starwood and Avis, and the Fine Hotels and Resorts program which offers extras at properties like Ritz-Carlton and Four Seasons. It's expensive at $395, so not useful for most.

The Membership Rewards program offers transfers to a variety of airlines and hotel programs, but it's been eroded over the years. Marriott dropped out last year. No replacement was ever made for Northwest or TWA (when the latter was acquired by American). But it works for me, because I couldn't otherwise put such large charges on a single card. And a seven figure membership rewards balance is certainly better than paying by check!


If you don't charge enough to warrant an annual fee card, consider a free card.

The Amtrak Mastercard gives one Amtrak point per dollar spent. The value in this card is that points can be used for train travel or transferred one-to-one into Continental, and Midwest Airlines and one-to-two into Hilton. You can transfer 25,000 points out of an Amtrak account each calendar year (elite members can transfer out 50,000 points.) The Amtrak card also offers redemption for gift certificates, generally valuing points earned at one cent apiece. The card offers pretty good earning considering that it's fee-free.

I don't trust the company running the Amtrak program, though. They tend to make changes without notice -- such as imposing a cap on points transferred out (it used to be unlimited) and ending transfers into United.

The Hilton American Express comes with 15,000 points as a signup bonus, Silver Elite status in the Hilton program, and earns 3 Hilton points per dollar spent (or 5 on 'everyday spend' charges like restaurants, grocery stores, and cell phone bills).

Consider also cash rebate cards. Most of them cap the amount of money you can earn, but if you're spending less than $15,000 or so a year that may not be an issue. This type of card is outside the scope of the post. Miles are usually worth more than money in a rewards program, since the latter tends to return only about 1%. But $150 may be worth more to you than 15,000 Amtrak points (though shrewdly used, the Amtrak points can be worth more than the money).


Stay away from proprietary rewards programs, like the CapitalOne GoMiles card.

Proprietary miles programs have marketing appeal, offering "any seat on any airline" and tapping into the frustration that some feel trying to redeem their miles. But these programs turn the value proposition of miles on their head. Miles are most useful for tickets that would have been too expensive to purchase -- international business or first class tickets, or even last minute transcon flights (which aren't as expensive as they used to be).

Proprietary programs generally offer coach seats, which have to be purchased a few weeks in advance, and often cap the amount of airfare that they'll pay.

Furthermore, proprietary miles can be earned only through credit card spending so it may be harding to reach the point of redeeming for a free ticket.

Airline and hotel points can be earned through a variety of partnerships, whether it's telephone or internet or mortgage financing, let alone actually flying or spending the night somewhere.

While some may get value from these offerings, my general advice is to avoid them. They more or less amount to a cash rebate card where you can only spend the rebate on specific travel offerings.

One exception: Most credit cards charge about 3% on foreign currency transactions. CapitalOne (at least with most of their offerings?) only charges 1%. Some MBNA cards also charge only 1%, though most now charge 3%. This foreign currency surcharge may be more expensive than the value of the miles you get in return -- so if you travel abroad a lot then your primary concern may be foreign currency charges rather than mileage earning.


Earning bonus miles from credit card signups

In some cases, depending on the credit card issuer, you can sign up for the same credit card more than once and pocket the signup bonus over and over.

This is especially true for cards issued by BankOne (e.g. United, Marriott, British Airways, Priority Club) and Citibank (e.g. American Mastercard, Hilton Visa).

I'm not a frequent Northwest flyer, so I've used signing up for their credit card three times as my qualifying activity in the annual Fly Free Faster promo. While it's not easy to get a signup bonus from US Bank more than once for the same card, you can sign up for each of their different cards and earn the signup bonus each time. I've gotten the Visa Platinum, the Visa Signature, and the Visa Business card, and each time that qualified me to earn an additional 10,000 miles from the summer promo. (I'd never sign up for the Northwest card unless it qualified me for some other offering, since those offerings come around so regularly and I wouldn't want to blow the chance to use the card as an activity towards the bonus.)

Credit cards generally can offer some of the richest bonuses around. The American Airlines Mastercard is currently offering 15,000 miles with first purchase and fee waived for a year.

The United Visa is also offering 15,000 bonus miles with first purchase and fee waived for a year.

The Delta American Express makes that same 15,000 bonus mile with first purchase offer, fee waived the first year. (There are occasionally even better offers on this card as well.)

Both the American and United bonuses can be earned more than once. The Delta American Express doesn't offer similar possibilities, although with all cards you can generally earn miles not just for a personal card but also for a business card. Some issuers require a certain minimum business income to qualify, and some consumers think "I don't have a business." But what if you are looking for consulting work on the side, even if you don't do any such work at this time? Most of us can qualify as "Our Name & Associates" - boom, our own business, and own business credit card with signup bonus.

Whenever you sign up for a new card print out the details of the offer. Sometimes promised bonuses don't post and you'll want some evidence of what you were supposed to receive. Also, in the event that you're signing up for a card whose fee is waived for a specific period of time, make sure to print out that promise as well.

Be aware that each time you apply for a credit card the issuing bank will pull your credit report. Each 'hard pull' on your report is logged, and too many pulls over a short period of time can temporarily reduce your credit rating. On the other hand, having a decent amount of unused credit can be valuable, a lower percentage utilization of your available credit helps your score. So does having a long average age for your accounts, so cancelling unused fee-free cards may not be wise.

Suffice to say that credit score issues are beyond this scope of this inquiry, but be aware that your credit score will affect your ability to obtain credit and the interest rates you'll pay (such as when applying for a mortgage). These are complicated issues worth understanding.

Here's a good basic overview. Here's a way to estimate your score for free and play with the different variables.


shragak Mar 12, 2006 7:06 pm

diners club
 
Be super careful about Diners car rental primary insurance propoganda. I almost got burned pretty badly last year. After a fender bender , I found out that while they may be primary , they don't cover a "few" issues. Admin. fees, dimunization of auto , loss of car rental days without explicit documentation etc

rafatmit Mar 15, 2006 11:22 am

This is getting into the territory of more general credit card / credit scoring question, but it relates to miles, so I'll go ahead and ask it. How many credit cards do people here have? How many is too many -- where it will hurt your credit rating?

I would do some of the get-a-card-for-the-bonus-cancel-repeat schemes people discuss here, but that's just adding a lot of young accounts to my credit report. How much does this matter?

gardener Mar 15, 2006 11:41 am


Originally Posted by rafatmit
This is getting into the territory of more general credit card / credit scoring question, but it relates to miles, so I'll go ahead and ask it. How many credit cards do people here have? How many is too many -- where it will hurt your credit rating?

I would do some of the get-a-card-for-the-bonus-cancel-repeat schemes people discuss here, but that's just adding a lot of young accounts to my credit report. How much does this matter?

I have opened a lot of accounts in the past two years (Starwood Amex, AGR MC, New USAirways DM MC, and just now the new Marriott Visa.

My score hasn't budged, it was 788 when I last checked.

I don't cancel cards though. And I pay off my balances every month. And I have kept all my very oldest cards even though I don't use them (these are no annual fee obviously).

All in all I have 13 cards of the Visa/MC/Amex/Discover variety. Doesn't seem to hurt my score.

2whitedogs Mar 15, 2006 12:26 pm


Originally Posted by pgary
Try the credit card section of my website below. Current good ones, all free of annual fee for at least 1 year:

On the Annual Fee Cards page:

American Airlines (20,000 miles)
United Airlines (20,000 miles)
U.S. Airways (15,000 miles+ 1.5/$1 spent first year)

On the Free Cards page:

Delta Airlines SkyMiles (17,500 miles+ 2,500 miles for adding another card holder)
Delta SkyPoints (7,500 points)
Starwood (6,000 points)
Priority Club (30,000 points)
Gold Points (20,000 points)
Marriott (15,000 points)

Hello all, I took the day off work to do my taxes. But first, I had to go through my mail, saw the offer from USAirways about the 15,000 mile offer with 2 years waived annual fee. Decided to search the web to see if this offer had any hidden agenda and found this website. Half the day is gone and I still haven't started my taxes, because I've been obsessively reading these posts. I feel like I've been missing something big for a long time, by not playing the frequent flyer miles/credit card game. This is so fascinating!!

Anyway, can someone point me to the above-mentioned website?

Thanks,
Judy

rbessler Mar 15, 2006 6:36 pm


Originally Posted by 2whitedogs
Anyway, can someone point me to the above-mentioned website?

Thanks,
Judy

http://www.freefrequentflyermiles.com/index.htm


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