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Re: Best Credit Card
I find that the easiest way to avoid the constant ups and downs of the airline's mileage programs, is to sign up for the Citibank Premierpass Elite credit card. It allows you to earn points, not miles, towards the equivilent ratio of awards for most airlies; 25K for a coach R/T ticket. Also, you can choose any airline to fly on those points, as well as garnering a kick-start of 15,000 points when you sign up (like some other credit cards)! Plus (I know, aren't you getting sick of all the benefits???) you get double points at numerous outlets including pharmacies, supermarkets, and gas stations - and who doesn't use those? Well, I've gushed enough about the bennies :rolleyes: ....find out for yourself! www.citicards.com is the place to make your choice. ^
Originally Posted by gleff
How to choose the best credit card
One of the most frequently asked questions on MilesBuzz is what credit card should I use? It's been discussed over and over, and still comes up frequently. I'd like to create a single repository of information in the hopes that it's useful to the 70,000+ members and countless more lurkers that come here. Why re-invent the wheel every time? With this post I intend to outline the major issues that I believe should affect your choice of mileage-earning credit card and to offer some specific suggestions that will work in most circumstances. Caveat: this post is entirely US-centric, and doesn't deal with the best cards for individuals based in other countries. Feel free to leave comments if you feel like I'm missing any important issue, or if you'd like specific feedback on your own situation. This is a work in progress, but I hope that in the future we'll be able to direct members to this thread when the 'best credit card' question comes up. Note that the bulk of this post is adapted from a piece on my blog, so apologize that some of the links are to more detailed explanations there.
General advice If you pay your bill in full every month, charge a decent amount to the card, and don't have special needs like help making elite status, then some general advice is probably most useful. The best general, all-purpose rewards card is the Starwood American Express card. It's free the first year and $30 thereafter, comes with a signup bonus of 6,000 points with your first purchase and up to 6,000 more for hotel stays, and offers points which can be used for hotel nights or converted 1:1 into most airline programs. When you covert 20,000 points at a time into airline miles Starwood gives you 5,000 bonus miles -- which means you're really earning 1.25 miles per dollar on most every carrier, better earning than most airlines' own co-branded offerings. The flexibility, though, is the best benefit. With, say, an American Airlines Mastercard you're stuck with American Airlines miles. With the Starwood American Express you earn whatever miles you want and you don't have to decide until later. An example of the power of this card -- spend $50,000 on the United Visa or American Mastercard, and you have enough miles for a coach ticket to Europe. Spend $50,000 on the Starwood American Express, and you can transfer those 50,000 points to Cathay Pacific in exchange for 60,000 Asia Miles which are enough for a business class ticket on British Airways from the East Coast of the U.S. to most destinations in Europe. Be aware, though, that transfers from Starwood into an airline program are not instantaneous so you may not be able to reserve your award before making a transfer on carriers that don't let you hold awards (e.g. Northwest) or that don't permit you to hold them for very long (e.g. United at 72 hours). Still, with Starwood I can stay at some of the top hotels in the world and my airline mileage earning is supersized, 25% better than airline cards themselves. This is by far the best all-around mileage earning card. I also carry a Diners Club card and a Hilton American Express. The Diners Club card is now a Mastercard, so it's accepted universally. I use the card with merchants that don't take American Express. Their points program offers transfers into most airline and hotel programs. I can even launder United or American miles into other programs through this program (with some devaluation). Since Diners Club became a Mastercard, it lost some of its unique features -- such as two billing cycles to pay and a lower than usual foreign currency conversion charge. But it maintains its primary insurance coverage on rental cars, and since it's a Mastercard it's useful for airline and hotel promotions that require payments with that brand of card (such as Hyatt's outstanding Faster Free Nights promo). Downsides to the card are a charge for transferring points to airline miles (95 cents per 1000 miles) and a $90 annual fee. I rent cars enough to make this worthwhile. I use the Hilton American Express only for things where I earn bonus points. I use it at the grocery store and at restaurants and my cell phone bill is automatically charged to the card. I run no more than $1000 or $1500 a month on this card. If I ever run out of Gold status with Hilton, I'll probably notch up the spending to reach $20,000 to retain my status. Full disclosure, I also carry other cards that stand apart from this general advice. For example, I have an American Express Platinum card with Membership Rewards because it provides a greater credit line than traditional points-earning cards. It's useful to me for charging large events, and has lots of extras like lounge access (Continental, Delta, and Northwest), elite status with Starwood and Avis, and the Fine Hotels and Resorts program which offers extras at properties like Ritz-Carlton and Four Seasons. It's expensive at $395, so not useful for most. The Membership Rewards program offers transfers to a variety of airlines and hotel programs, but it's been eroded over the years. Marriott dropped out last year. No replacement was ever made for Northwest or TWA (when the latter was acquired by American). But it works for me, because I couldn't otherwise put such large charges on a single card. And a seven figure membership rewards balance is certainly better than paying by check! If you don't charge enough to warrant an annual fee card, consider a free card. The Amtrak Mastercard gives one Amtrak point per dollar spent. The value in this card is that points can be used for train travel or transferred one-to-one into Continental, and Midwest Airlines and one-to-two into Hilton. You can transfer 25,000 points out of an Amtrak account each calendar year (elite members can transfer out 50,000 points.) The Amtrak card also offers redemption for gift certificates, generally valuing points earned at one cent apiece. The card offers pretty good earning considering that it's fee-free. I don't trust the company running the Amtrak program, though. They tend to make changes without notice -- such as imposing a cap on points transferred out (it used to be unlimited) and ending transfers into United. The Hilton American Express comes with 15,000 points as a signup bonus, Silver Elite status in the Hilton program, and earns 3 Hilton points per dollar spent (or 5 on 'everyday spend' charges like restaurants, grocery stores, and cell phone bills). Consider also cash rebate cards. Most of them cap the amount of money you can earn, but if you're spending less than $15,000 or so a year that may not be an issue. This type of card is outside the scope of the post. Miles are usually worth more than money in a rewards program, since the latter tends to return only about 1%. But $150 may be worth more to you than 15,000 Amtrak points (though shrewdly used, the Amtrak points can be worth more than the money). Stay away from proprietary rewards programs, like the CapitalOne GoMiles card. Proprietary miles programs have marketing appeal, offering "any seat on any airline" and tapping into the frustration that some feel trying to redeem their miles. But these programs turn the value proposition of miles on their head. Miles are most useful for tickets that would have been too expensive to purchase -- international business or first class tickets, or even last minute transcon flights (which aren't as expensive as they used to be). Proprietary programs generally offer coach seats, which have to be purchased a few weeks in advance, and often cap the amount of airfare that they'll pay. Furthermore, proprietary miles can be earned only through credit card spending so it may be harding to reach the point of redeeming for a free ticket. Airline and hotel points can be earned through a variety of partnerships, whether it's telephone or internet or mortgage financing, let alone actually flying or spending the night somewhere. While some may get value from these offerings, my general advice is to avoid them. They more or less amount to a cash rebate card where you can only spend the rebate on specific travel offerings. One exception: Most credit cards charge about 3% on foreign currency transactions. CapitalOne (at least with most of their offerings?) only charges 1%. Some MBNA cards also charge only 1%, though most now charge 3%. This foreign currency surcharge may be more expensive than the value of the miles you get in return -- so if you travel abroad a lot then your primary concern may be foreign currency charges rather than mileage earning. Earning bonus miles from credit card signups In some cases, depending on the credit card issuer, you can sign up for the same credit card more than once and pocket the signup bonus over and over. This is especially true for cards issued by BankOne (e.g. United, Marriott, British Airways, Priority Club) and Citibank (e.g. American Mastercard, Hilton Visa). I'm not a frequent Northwest flyer, so I've used signing up for their credit card three times as my qualifying activity in the annual Fly Free Faster promo. While it's not easy to get a signup bonus from US Bank more than once for the same card, you can sign up for each of their different cards and earn the signup bonus each time. I've gotten the Visa Platinum, the Visa Signature, and the Visa Business card, and each time that qualified me to earn an additional 10,000 miles from the summer promo. (I'd never sign up for the Northwest card unless it qualified me for some other offering, since those offerings come around so regularly and I wouldn't want to blow the chance to use the card as an activity towards the bonus.) Credit cards generally can offer some of the richest bonuses around. The American Airlines Mastercard is currently offering 15,000 miles with first purchase and fee waived for a year. The United Visa is also offering 15,000 bonus miles with first purchase and fee waived for a year. The Delta American Express makes that same 15,000 bonus mile with first purchase offer, fee waived the first year. (There are occasionally even better offers on this card as well.) Both the American and United bonuses can be earned more than once. The Delta American Express doesn't offer similar possibilities, although with all cards you can generally earn miles not just for a personal card but also for a business card. Some issuers require a certain minimum business income to qualify, and some consumers think "I don't have a business." But what if you are looking for consulting work on the side, even if you don't do any such work at this time? Most of us can qualify as "Our Name & Associates" - boom, our own business, and own business credit card with signup bonus. Whenever you sign up for a new card print out the details of the offer. Sometimes promised bonuses don't post and you'll want some evidence of what you were supposed to receive. Also, in the event that you're signing up for a card whose fee is waived for a specific period of time, make sure to print out that promise as well. Be aware that each time you apply for a credit card the issuing bank will pull your credit report. Each 'hard pull' on your report is logged, and too many pulls over a short period of time can temporarily reduce your credit rating. On the other hand, having a decent amount of unused credit can be valuable, a lower percentage utilization of your available credit helps your score. So does having a long average age for your accounts, so cancelling unused fee-free cards may not be wise. Suffice to say that credit score issues are beyond this scope of this inquiry, but be aware that your credit score will affect your ability to obtain credit and the interest rates you'll pay (such as when applying for a mortgage). These are complicated issues worth understanding. Here's a good basic overview. Here's a way to estimate your score for free and play with the different variables. |
Thanks for all the info.
Do you happen to know what airlines participate in the point exchange program with Starwood? |
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Originally Posted by acf573
There are a couple ways around this limit. First, if you have a spouse/SO, you can have them apply for a separate card. Each card has a $300 limit. Second, Citi allows you to have multiple accounts of the same card type. I believe the limit is 4-5 credit cards overall, but you could have 4-5 Citi Div Plat cards if your credit rating supported it.
Third, is the Citi Diamond Preferred card. This card gives 5 Thank You points per dollar spent at grocery stores/gas/drugstores. 5000 TY points = a $50 GC at many national merchants (including Target, Home Depot, etc.) for 1 cent/point. Personally I use TY points for plane tickets. I redeemed 50k points + $128 for taxes for a $845 ticket to Europe (on AA, my preferred carrier). That's 1.4 cents/point. Supposedly no dollar caps on these awards. Annual cap on this card is 75k points = $750 dollars in GCs. Per quote above, Instead of dealing with multiple accounts, you can get basically the same deal now with Chase; 5% on gas/drug/groceries, 1% elsewhere, no annual fee and a $50 GC after first purchase. 1-888-787-0329 code Q7S to apply, offer is available until 9/30/05. I got my wife a second Citi card when I capped out at $300, but found myself needing the rebate card a lot when she wasn't around, so I got the Chase card to use to extend my rebate total to $600. |
Best Australian card for points, insurance, ext-warr. etc?
Any Aussies/Kiwis with recommendations on cards with"
- OS travel insurance included or free upon spending with the card (a la ANZ Gold) - first yr fee free - credit toward status on either Ff or hotel (HH, *W) cards - reasonable credit period e.g. 55 or 55 days + - reasonable rate (I'm not in debt so credit t/fer deal n/reqd) - other benefits e.g. ANZ Gold's 'nrma-style' road service, hotel bonuses w. HH or *W Just asking after reading the Sun Herald's 'financial review' liftout which reveiwed a lot of cards. thank you :) |
- OS travel insurance included or free upon spending with the card (a la ANZ Gold)
* Most of the Gold or Plat cards have this benefit (however it is travel accident insurance so you still need coverage for delays, illness etc) - first yr fee free * Good luck - sometimes there are promos but watch out for the fact that many Australian cards now have seperate annual and rewards program fees and sometimes they only waive one not both. - credit toward status on either Ff or hotel (HH, *W) cards * There are no Australian cards that offer either status level. Several years ago Citibank gold cards gave you access to Northwest Worldclubs but that is no longer the case (I tried once and went through the book of cards with the Worldclubs desk person and there was a little note saying Australian cards were no longer accepted). - reasonable credit period e.g. 55 or 55 days + - reasonable rate (I'm not in debt so credit t/fer deal n/reqd) - other benefits e.g. ANZ Gold's 'nrma-style' road service, hotel bonuses w. HH or *W I think the best thing is to prioritize what you want then look for the number one thing. Assuming you want to earn points/miles at a reasonable rate and have additional benefits you are looking at just a handful of gold cards - then once you decide if you want to have Amex or Visa/Mastercard you will quickly find just one or two cards meet your approval. The unfortunate thing about Australian cards is that there is a small market (only 6-7% of the population of the US for instance), only one real airline with a FF program, and limited competition amongst the banks - all adds up to a far less competitive market than in the US. In the US it is the airlines more than the banks that throw in most of the airline benefits - in Aus Qantas has such a monopoly that they just don't try at all, they know they will get all the revenue from mileage cards whatever benefits they give. |
Originally Posted by ANDREWCX
in Aus Qantas has such a monopoly that they just don't try at all, they know they will get all the revenue from mileage cards whatever benefits they give.
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The credit cards you have in the US and UK are just unbelievable. In most European countries we´re lucky to have a plain Amex, Diners, Visa and MC. No extras such as cashbacks (What on earth are those?). We do have some mileage earning cards (the legacy carrier in each country + one from a neighbouring country´s carrier). Mileage earnings are usually 1€=1 mile. Finnair for one has a kilometer based FFP and therefore you need more points to redeem awards. But you also get only 1point(1km) per € spent.
Rarely any sign up bonuses. Rarely any free first years either. So, to me the question asked by the OP is totally irrelevant. We don´t have such cards. |
Several recent credit card advice requests recently, if I may be so bold as to recommend this thread for reading? :o
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ANDREW CRAM cc chart
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http://www.andrewcram.com/frequentflyerCC.html There is a nice chart, perhaps this will be helpful to the FT Community. CCC |
Nice post!
Nice post, Gleff, you provide some of the most useful information here.
I would summarize it as "get the SPG Amex", pay it off in full every month, and the rest is icing on the cake! |
The FEX winner is...
Looks like on my 2 week trip through Asia, the hands down winner was the Cap One Preffered Platinum MC, no miles though, with a 99.9% (less than 1%). Next was the Citibusiness AA Visa at 99.75% then Citibank AA debit check card at 98.75. By far the worst was the GH Erawan's DCC at 96.66%. I'll remember never to do that again.
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OP, very interesting and informative, which is one of the resons I cast my TB vote for you ^
I think the card decisions also depend greatly on the individual's locus of travel, which of course may also dictate which airline and hotel chain the individual uses. My locus for domestic US tends to be from NOLA to L.A. in the East-West direction, and the Gulf Coast region to Oklahoma City in the North-South direction. HOU to BUR being my longest domestic flight. Every now and then I will hit an out-laying city like NYC or Washington, DC. Southwest Airlines is the easiest carrier for my locus, so they are my preferred domestic airline. That being the case I use a Rapid Rewards Visa where all my expenses are booked, including the hotel stays. Only car rentals go to my AMEX Gold, because of the auto insurance. The spending done with the Visa, in addition to the WN flights earns me reward flights very quickly, much more so than what I was earning with CO. In fact the rewards have been building faster than what I can use them. Ms. M8 and I use the rewards for dates in different cities ;) I also re-invest the reward flights in my company, i.e., use them to visit US domestic clients, at no cost to the client as part of my marketing program. For international trans-Atlantic, I again pay with the WN Visa, fly AirFrance, and send those miles to my DL account. For international trans-Pacific I use SQ and send those miles to KrisFlyer, again paying with the WN Visa. To get to L.A. in order to pick up the SQ flight I use WN. This works well for me since I tend to loiter in L.A. a day or two inbound/outbound for socializing/recreation before heading to SE Asia. I also use a private business charter for direct flights into Africa. The charter company banks miles on UA for me with some special arrangement that they have with UA. I have some credit cards that I seldom use, like the AMEX, and an MC, and I am not sure anything happens with those reagarding miles/points. I will have to investigate this, because your post now leads me to believe that I am suboptimized with these other cards. Thanks, M8 |
I've found several great cards which can really maximize your rewards potential. Mileage cards are often the most rewarding, however some cash cards have even greater benefits in some categories.
Chase Cash Back- Is now giving people $100 (thru the end of Oct, $50 after Oct) to sign up for the card, plus 5% at gas, grocery, and drug stores. You max out at $300, but it is not bad. See my post and you will learn that you can actually earn 7.5% on your spending. Discover Specialty Cards- Potentially can earn you the greatest rewards, although it is limited a bit. You can easily earn 6.25% back on your money, and possibly even 10% back on your Gas OR Home Improvement OR Restaurant Purchases. See the third post in an old thread of mine to find out how (it cites the Gas card specifically, but the other cards work just the same and you can change between programs free) Citi Premier Pass- I agree with hgm1101 and think that it is a great deal. It can't beat the above cash cards on the purchases earning 5 or more percent, but on everything else, I figure you earn about 1-2% if you figure that a free ticket is cash in your pocket. Consumer Reports recommends this as the best annual fee free miles reward. and then of course there are the airline cards which carry an annual fee, but are often an excellent choice for many people who spend a lot. I do still believe that the above cash rebate cards are more rewarding (so you want to try to use those wherever you get 5% or more back) and then use either your own airline's card, or Citi Premier Pass. |
atm and credit card
Just returned from HKG, did the following experiment, transaction is done one the same time ( within 1 minute on the same day)
I used BofA ATM card at BA terminal and get HK$500, it costs US$64.52 from my checking account. Used the CitiBank ATM card at Citi terminal for HK$500, it costs me US$65.34 from my checking account. To avoid the 3 to 6 % surcharge by Citi and BofA, I used the Charles Shwab visa card, there is no surcharge in China, Hong Kong and Japan. looks like BofA have a slightly better rate. |
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