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#16
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Join Date: Apr 2000
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Hey Thump this. No one was being "unfriendly" , heaven forbid! And the bumper sticker on your car is just like the sticker on their bags. And you don't know what kind of work I do, if I strike, or what would happen.
And for LikeItUpA** - that was sarcasm, if I don't like what I do or feel I make enough, I change it, I don't take it out on my customers and coworkers. Ya'll need to stop taking yourselves so seriously and open your eyes to the real world. It does not revolve around you. And lighten up, Loretta is the one that got you talking now
And Loretta is entitled to her opinion. And Loretta did not start the name calling or bashing. All Loretta did was add an other option to the discussion, which obviously did just what I thought it would, show where some people are "really" coming from.
And for LikeItUpA** - that was sarcasm, if I don't like what I do or feel I make enough, I change it, I don't take it out on my customers and coworkers. Ya'll need to stop taking yourselves so seriously and open your eyes to the real world. It does not revolve around you. And lighten up, Loretta is the one that got you talking now
And Loretta is entitled to her opinion. And Loretta did not start the name calling or bashing. All Loretta did was add an other option to the discussion, which obviously did just what I thought it would, show where some people are "really" coming from.
#17
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Join Date: May 1999
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..."And for LikeItUpA** - that was sarcasm, if I don't like what I do or feel I make enough, I change it, I don't take it out on my customers and coworkers..."
Yet, IMHO, isn't this is just a wee bit over the line, LorettaG! C'mon, please!
Yet, IMHO, isn't this is just a wee bit over the line, LorettaG! C'mon, please!
#19
Join Date: Sep 2000
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Oh Dear! Without taking sides, I repect the views of all, but this string seems very strident and with everyone wanting to have the last word no one seems to be actually commenting on the original string anymore. All this seems to be taken very personally for reasons that I do not understand. Reading this string from start to finish, it does us little credit, and it does not suprise me in the least that we end up with Moderators.
#20
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Wow, I feel like I jumped into a thread at PlaneBusiness by accident.
I think it's tacky for the FAs to have bumperstickers on their luggage. But, I also think it's tacky for the airlines to pay brand new FAs so little. So, it's a draw.
I think it's tacky for the FAs to have bumperstickers on their luggage. But, I also think it's tacky for the airlines to pay brand new FAs so little. So, it's a draw.
#21
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 149
Back in days when common SENSE, COURTESY, and DECENCY dictated behavior, such an act would be considered insubordination, a firable offense. You want somebody like THAT working for you? Among your "good" workers? Spoiling morale?
Who's holding a gun up to the heads of the disgruntled, keeping them in their sorry, unhappy state?
When the going gets tough, the tough get going.
Who's holding a gun up to the heads of the disgruntled, keeping them in their sorry, unhappy state?
When the going gets tough, the tough get going.
#22

Join Date: Jul 2000
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LorettaG,
Let's see... I wrote "let's keep this friendly" and you responded "Thump this?"
Then you made fun of another's name?
I'm comfortable with the fact that every situation has different views and opinions. I even know that sometimes others are in the majority, but I am comfortable with my views being my own.
I never knew where flamers came from. My first instinct was to respond equally in kind, and I guess cause this to escalate. I'm glad I didn't.
But the other responders let me see how each of us looks to the rest of the world. I learned something here, and for that I thank you.
Let's see... I wrote "let's keep this friendly" and you responded "Thump this?"
Then you made fun of another's name?
I'm comfortable with the fact that every situation has different views and opinions. I even know that sometimes others are in the majority, but I am comfortable with my views being my own.
I never knew where flamers came from. My first instinct was to respond equally in kind, and I guess cause this to escalate. I'm glad I didn't.
But the other responders let me see how each of us looks to the rest of the world. I learned something here, and for that I thank you.
#23
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Join Date: Apr 2000
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You are welcome, please remember it. Thank you everyone else for your views. As I have said, it has made me see where some people are really coming from. It is definitely correct we would not want people like that working at our companies with "bumper stickers" anywhere for customers to view. Others have articulated very well why this is not acceptable. My sincere apologies that my sarcasm was mistaken for being unfriendly behavior (heaven forbid we be unfriendly here) but I am apologizing nonetheless. Now I think we know what unfriendly "really" means and we can be more cautious about accusatory remarks.
#24


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Loretta....I "got" your original post. It was fine. There are some threads that allow people of a liberal mindset to go off the deep end.
#25
Join Date: Feb 1999
Location: Alexandria, VA 22301
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I never get in on these arguments that you can't win, because... you can't win. BUT, I will this time (really, I'll never do it again).
Seems to me like the law of supply and demand usually works pretty well. If the demand for FA's outweighs the the supply at a given wage rate, the wage rate will have to increase. Am I missing something? If there were not enough FA's to fill the positions at the current wages, then the Airlines would be forced to raise wages to an acceptable level and the supply-demand would begin to balance. Clearly, supply of FA's willing to work at current wages is at least equal to the demand. Therefore, wages stay where they are.
I am not an economist (and I don't play one on TV) but it seems like the system works and airlines should not raise wages. Of course, the leverage of the union could change that...
Seems to me like the law of supply and demand usually works pretty well. If the demand for FA's outweighs the the supply at a given wage rate, the wage rate will have to increase. Am I missing something? If there were not enough FA's to fill the positions at the current wages, then the Airlines would be forced to raise wages to an acceptable level and the supply-demand would begin to balance. Clearly, supply of FA's willing to work at current wages is at least equal to the demand. Therefore, wages stay where they are.
I am not an economist (and I don't play one on TV) but it seems like the system works and airlines should not raise wages. Of course, the leverage of the union could change that...
#28
Join Date: Jan 2000
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Hmmm, if professional courtesy is costing extra, then an airline that provides superior service would be able to attract either more customers or a higher price.
That is, IF the market were closer to perfect. Unfortunately, many of us have little choice over the airline and the level of service we can fly.
Equally, there seems to a basic disruption of supply and demand at the moment - airlines are not able to offer the level of service or frequency of service that folks are demanding - the skies (or rather the airports) are too full as it is !!
That is, IF the market were closer to perfect. Unfortunately, many of us have little choice over the airline and the level of service we can fly.
Equally, there seems to a basic disruption of supply and demand at the moment - airlines are not able to offer the level of service or frequency of service that folks are demanding - the skies (or rather the airports) are too full as it is !!

