Afang,

This might be a good ticket if you are trying for status on both UA and AA. Nice to have both in your back pocket.

He had no choice! It was booked by a corporate travel department - and they
select his flights and determine the lowest fare!

Clearly he needs to look for a new job!

How is this the lowest fare? It looks like it would price out at full fare Y. Yet you say this is some sort of "super saver" fare. Web specials don't have one-way fares do they?

Anyways, back to the original question: I think it is a round trip because:

• pax returns to point of origin
• stops over at turn around point only
• it's all on one itinerary

Well, that's my guess.

FewMiles..

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Travel4Free:
I'm slowly getting the hang of this.
Lets say I do the following (which I do)

Ticket 1
EWR-LAS(Monday)
LAS-EWR (Wednesday) on CO $ 300 Rt

Ticket 2
LAS-SFO (Monday-departs 1 hr after CO arrives in above ticekt 1)
SFO-LAS Wed on HP $120 RT (Arrives 1 hour before CO in ticket 1 departs)


What I've done is buy two separate Round Trip tickets. Have I also used Point to Point ticketing to save money over the cost of a ERW-SFO RT midweek ($2,200)? Can point to point ticketing encompass more than one airline on the outbound or in bound sections?

[This message has been edited by Vulcan (edited 01-11-2001).]

I'm not really sure that I understand your question...or that the format is really what your getting at, so just let me ramble for a bit.

Under the scenario that you have presented, you are not really purchasing point-to-point tickets, rather you are buying 2 separate round trip tickets. Point-to-point tkts involve the purchase of a one way fare for each individual segment.

To qualify as point-to-point, you would have had to purchase a OW tkt from EWR to LAS, then another OW tkt on to SFO, and then two more back to EWR (you would have a total of four OW tkts).

As you know, OW tkts are generally more expensive than RT tkts. And the cheapest RT tkts in the US today, generally requires outbound and inbound travel on the same carrier.

Our original amigo, Mr. Gomez, was able to find a 'super saver" fare which did allow outbound travel on AA and inbound travel on UA. This would be very unusual today. However, even if he had purchased the highest fare available (Y)...this would not have determined the TYPE OF TRIP he took. ONLY the itinerary determines the type of trip (OW,RT,CT,or OJ).

If your asking me if it is possible to string together a bunch of point-to-point OW
fares on different airlines to create a round trip or circle trip, etc., sure, why not? But if your asking if you can travel on a RT ticket using two different carriers (one on the outbound and another on the return), probably not today (but that would depend on the rules of the fare).

If your asking if you can mix and match airlines on your trip using OW point-to-point
fares ie, Delta to LAS, UA to SFO, HP back to
LAS, and then CO back to EWR, sure it could be done, but this would be more expensive, than the itinerary you have outlined.

I know that you probably travel on biz, so you're probably in a rush to get to where your going. So my final question to you is, RU harvesting the maximim number of segments
allowable on your EWR-LAS-SFO trips?

Since I don't what type of fare you travel on, I won't be able to quote EXACT perrmissible routings, but here R some which
would probable work (just guessing now):

Novice flies: EWR-SFO
Novice elite flies: EWR-LAS-SFO
Novice silver flies: EWR-IAH-LAS-SFO
Gold flies (no longer novice): EWR-IAH-LAS-PHX-SFO

Tvl4free flies: EWR-DTW-CLE-DFW-IAH-LAS-PHX-LAX-ONT-SFO!


Hope this helps!

See ya in the sky, if you're up front, of course!



[This message has been edited by tvl4free (edited 01-11-2001).]

Oh, really?

Thanks, Travel4Free:
The main point is to do a midweek out and back from EWR to SFO without paying $2,200. Thus, the separate, RT tickets to LAS, where no Saturday night stay is required.
I agree wholeheartedly the the best way to harvest miles is: EWR-DTW-CLE-DFW-IAH-LAS and return. I typically do EWR-IAH-LAS, sometimes EWR-CLE-IAH-LAS if I can get the cheap RT fare with the extra stops. I guess I just need to work a little harder to get DTW (ugh!!) and DFW in there as well. Thanks for the tips.

Well sure. This is the itinerary in question:

EWR-AA-ORD-AA-LAX
LAX-UA-ORD-UA-EWR

The pax is going EWR to LAX, using a mirror route on the outbound and inbound. I suppose it would be a circle trip if the pax's destination was ORD as well as LAX, but you didn't say that. I think. I don't know. Whatever.

Anothony, don't distress - you're SOO close!

In fact, the closest so far!

Is the return portion an EXACT mirror image of the outbound?

EXCELLENT job on the hotel comparisons BTW, I'll need your help on that B/4 long!

No, because travel is on two different airlines. Still though

FewMiles..

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both D and E

Yeah, what FewMiles said. They're not an exact mirror due to the different carriers. I was going to mention that; it was on the tip of my typing fingers as I entered my last message, but I figured that the routing was the overriding factor in determining if a ticket was circle trip and that the carrier is irrelevant.

So then.

I am now convinced that the answer is "All of the Above." And that's my final answer, Regis!

BTW, if a particular fare is eligible to be booked on different carriers, what would I look for in the fare rules? Would it show up on the list of permissible routings?

I must be missing something because I think it's (ignoring the fare, as you said) a plain old round trip because the point of origin is the same and the final destination is the same. I don't think the fact that there's a connection in ORD in both directions matters because it's just a connection.

I have one for you, tvl4free. I did this business trip itinerary in October and had an argument about ticketing with the company travel agent:

Oct 15: HNL-SFO (UA)
Oct 18: SFO-ORD-BOS (UA)
Oct 19: BOS-LGA (DL Shuttle)
Oct 22: JFK-SFO (UA)
Oct 23: SFO-LAS (UA Shuttle)
Oct 26: LAS-SFO (UA Shuttle)
Oct 28: SFO-HNL (UA)

What types of tickets was this trip? I thought (and priced it out this way) that I should have used an open jaw between HNL-BOS and JFK-HNL, with free stopovers in SFO. Then one-way DL shuttle ticket and a separate "inner" r/t between SFO-LAS. I priced the entire thing out at around 1600, before the company discount.

Company travel agent said I needed three separate "trips" because my way wasn't legal.

r/t HNL-SFO
open jaw SFO-ORD-BOS JFK-SFO (plus oneway DL shuttle)
r/t SFO-LAS

Her way priced out almost $300 more before discounts.

I think she was clueless because I was able to price it out my way on united.com.

Since it was company travel, rather than argue, I just accepted her way, but I think she wasted $300 of the companies money.

-David

Something's not quite kosher here...how many S/O's did the fare allow? In responding below I will assume it was two.

Breaking the fare on the west coast is almost always the cheaper way to go. You've stated that this was not the case, however, and so I would definately have purchased thru united.com - since airlines will generally honor anything which auto-prices.

The cheaper RT thru fares out of HI. allow two free S/O's. However, the open-jaw will count as one of them...and so stopping in SFO twice would give U too many to use a thru fare. If this was the case, I must side with your agent. Sorry!.

However, if (???) the united.com site was giving you a thru fare with unlimited S/O's - I would have jumped the fence - and sided with you!

It's good to have tvl4free on your side.


Yes. For example:

ROUTING C002 FROM CJS-AM/MX-MEX-
TO AM/MX-CUN-MX-LIM*
OR TO AM-LIM*




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