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Old Oct 14, 1998 | 7:25 am
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I'll cop to the intentional bumping scenario, and frankly, I have no fear of retribution from UAL. This is one of my best and most secret tricks, so pay attention. WHEN I HAVE AN EXTRA FEW HOURS ON MY OUTBOUND FLIGHTS, what I do (and I'm doing this again day after tommorrow) is use the United Connection software to track the flights to my intended destination to see which tend to be full and which tend to be empty. In my case (flying out of IAD) there is usually one around 4pm - 6 pm that tend to be oversold with passengers connecting from the eastern seaboard and europe. Then there is usually a last-of-the-day flight to most destinations at 7pm - 10pm that tend to be half full.

So I book myself onto the 4-6 flight, with some confidence that it will be oversold. I check in early and volunteer early at the gate to be bumped. When the flight has left (without me), I have my alternate plans all ready for the agent to book me on -- I ask for (and sometimes even get) an upgrade for my inconvenience of being bumped as well as a certificate to eat dinner in an airport restaurant in addition to the promised United-bucks. I have been succesful using this strategy 4 times so far this year (out of 6 attempted), for a total of $900 worth of United-bucks.

Since it doesn't matter to me if I arrive at my hotel at 8pm or 11pm, the only thing I lose is a few hours.

Here are the key points to making this work (IMO): 1) be exceedingly nice to the gate agent.
2) Act as innocent but sincerely helpful as possible.
3) Do your homework!!

Note: I ONLY try this when:
1) I don't have to be at my destination until the next morning.
2) I am flying econo.
3) I am ONLY carrying on luggage (no checked luggage)
4) On outbound flights...I want to get home from business trips as quickly as possible.
5) I have done it with connecting flights once, but it becomes twice as complicated...works best with non-stops.

I can see no legal, ethical or moral problem with this strategy, and it bought me tix (that I have upgraded using miles) for a three day weekend in paris to celebrate my anniversary with my wife in February!

(BTW, UAL, if you're lurking here, it's not *really* me doing this, its my "friend")

(Better safe than sorry!!!)

There you have it: My best tip revealed!!
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Old Oct 14, 1998 | 7:45 am
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thank you Matt (for sharing).

For long flights (if I have time options) my priority is a secured upgrade.

100 hours before the flight (1K = 100 hours in advance, that's when UA can confirm my upgrade) I phone (or visit UA in person) and may have UA look for alternatives (which they can confirm immediatly, because they also meet the 100 hours). So, for busy connections (often SFO-JFK/EWR or SFO-IAD or vice-versa), changing for the confirmed upgrades is only 1-2 hours delay.
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Old Oct 14, 1998 | 11:43 am
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Matt, tell your "friend" that's a terrific
tip. And I don't think it's illegal (if anything it's helping UA deal with one less
passenger on an oversold flight.)

If I don't have to be somewhere or have a
close appointment, I have volunteered to be
bumped to the next flight. THis is an OLD
trick, but it's nice to have the dinners or
coupons for future personal quick trips.
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Old Oct 14, 1998 | 11:59 am
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Long-time listener, first-time caller...

This isn't quite as clever as some of the other responses, but it is almost full-proof if the flight isn't actually sold out.

The Social-Engineering Approach:
Basically, this is a version of the 'chat up the ticket agent' method. Many people are so focused on getting upgrades that they forget about their coach seating assignments. Simply *Ask* to be re-assigned to a seat next to an empty seat. My preferred method is to leverage my status on USAir to get a seat the bulkhead or exit rows. USAir reserves these rows for preferred status holders. They also assign the middle seat only as a last resort. Thus, because bulkhead and exit are researved for preferred, and because most people, (especially preferred people) hate to sit in the middle seat, I almost always end up in a seat next to an empty middle seat.

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Old Oct 14, 1998 | 12:29 pm
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Thanz, glad you jumped in!

I used to take your approach until I started to notice that the exit row was the *only* row with someone sitting in the middle seat...

I surmised at the time that there were folks who would prefer to sit in a middle exit row seat rather than an aisle or window regular. Or that the agents were offering the exit middle seat as the first middle to go.

In any case, since my leg requirements are not so great (at a Napolionic 5'7 AND A HALF , I prefer the space to spread out laterally and work or relax with an empty seat next to me rather than extra room in front...

The exception is the red-eye flights when I'll take an exit row at any cost :-)
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Old Oct 14, 1998 | 1:49 pm
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Like United, Delta promises "preferred seating" for elite members. But that doesn't mean much when the flight is full, and I haven't been on a Delta flight recently that wasn't. My only hope is to get the aisle, where I can at least spread out in one direction (unless the cart is in the aisle beside me).
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Old Oct 17, 1998 | 12:31 pm
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nothing wrong with using their rules against them--isn't that jiu jutisju (SP) or some other martial art. I will frequently volunteer my seat (gets me some strange looks when I ask for an upgrade, then immediately volunteer my seat). I am pretty unreservedly cheap. Anyway, United almost always gives me a $25 certificate for my trouble (one of the discretionary gray ones wrapped around my boarding pass as they call my name up to board the plane). Last time ORD/TPA, though, they cheaped out--granted the delay was only about 1 1/2 hours (although upon landing I saw the late night flight was going to be 2 hours late) they offered only $100 in certificates. I still offered my seat and when I got back my boarding pass, got 2 $25 certificates.
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Old Dec 16, 1999 | 10:45 am
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Ok here is a tip that I know has proven effective, not a nice one, but someone I worked with used it effectively.

In order to secure 1st class upgrades, the person booked (but did not ticket) 2 first class seats for Dr and Mrs. ???? Then did it for another person and checked the United Connection to see that no F class was available. He then assumed (apparently rightly so) that the FF's would avoid trying to upgrade that flight and run to another. He got upgraded and said the Gate agents were mentioning something about the F-Revenue passengers missing.

I think it is alittle wrong, but apparently he needed the upgrade from DC to LAX.

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Old Dec 16, 1999 | 1:11 pm
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LAX 1K, that sounds a little fishy...

How would they know about the F-revenue pax if they weren't ticketed?

Did I misunderstand something?
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Old Dec 24, 1999 | 11:11 pm
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I know somebody (really, a friend...not myself) who used the same trick of booking several first class tickets who would then be no-shows. Of course, this relies on the fact that most airlines don't overbook first class, only coach.

shadow, the airline would know because they still hold the reservation. But he (or LAX 1K's friend) never paid for the ticket, saying they'd pick it up at the airport before the flight.

And LAX 1K, I'd go further than "a little wrong." I'd say it's fraud - after all, they've deceived the airline and thereby precluded the airline from selling that first class seat. I want my upgrades as much as anybody, but this is way beyond the pale.
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Old Dec 27, 1999 | 10:16 pm
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The "fake" reservation is an old trick that many used to use when there were super cheap "standby fares" - about 10 + years ago. So many people would book reservations a few days in advance and "buy ticket at airport" that the standby fares were dropped. Too many flights leaving half full. I have heard of some doing same thing to improve chances of getting on an earlier flight when they have a non-refundable ticket, but don't want to pay a change fee for an earlier flight (so just standby).

Best way to get an empty seat next to you - just ask 10 minutes before flight time if flight isn't too full. I know AA has "blocked" seat next to me on international flights when they knew they had a light load.

Another gimmick - when you have 2 traveling, book an aisle and window (on 3 across). If middle shows up and you want to sit together, middle person gladly moves to aisle or window.

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Old Nov 22, 2000 | 5:07 am
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Just bringing forward some more useful threads
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Old Nov 23, 2000 | 10:31 pm
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Rudi's tips are always useful.
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