Continuing off topic...
So, Mike...is it a Reno custom that the ladies buy the drinks on LADIES NIGHT?
It sure isn't that way down here or in Vegas where it is always the Man's night to buy regardless of who got in free.
@:-) So in an effort to tie in the topic, I submit that Ladies night produces Fraudulent collection of drinks. Further, if said drinks were purchased on a mileage accumulation credit card then those miles were gained under fraudulent circumstances such as Ladies Night must be forfeited. @:-)

Let's continue "on topic"







Craig6z
Moderator - MilesBuzz & United

the original question asked what I would do if someone told me about a miles-earning deal that turned out to be bogus.

What if that SOMEONE was a company or series of companies involved in a deal instead of a person who was telling you about it?

I know many here have heard of it before, but for those who have not, consider the recently botched promo on double +25% miles from Points.com that come from the very badly managed AA/Ebay Anything Points/oints.com deal. (You can find the info on that deal in the AA forum and look toward the end posts of the 'Get "UNLIMITED" AA miles for less than $0.01 per mile'" thread at:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...3&goto=newpost

Many companies have seemingly knowingly ripped off many people on this very board of several thousands of miles! They did not post for many people and these were fo the deals people actually stuck with and bought something from! They did not post in time for others, and for no apparant reason except that points.com admits to having had a technical glitch with their systems that send points to and fro. So why do WE have to pay for that and lose out?

They got us to sign up for stuff and then it turned out the deals are bogus because a large percentage of them fail to come thru and you cannot get any acountability or answers about it from the sources. It took teath pulling to the max for those who did get any responses and results. To date, there are only a few of us who have been so lucky. I have written many places, including AA. Ithink the world of points management should about it and AA is the airline who ends up with the miles that come from this deal. I figured AA should be alerted as to the fact that many companies are using their namesake to run a fraudulent and misleading promotion for many customers who got ripped off by it.

AA is not the problem, just the end recipient. Wouldnt YOU want to know if this happened under your watch?

The deal is bogus and the companies involved stole our loyalty (friendship).
And that is fraud.
I hope they stop doing business.

This web site I made below throughly describes the entire issue and we have been launching a full scale attack against the perps. It's only just begun. These are entities and people I would definitely snitch on. They are no friend of mine. My friends are just people trying to get by. These companies have duped us badly.

For all the fine check out:

http://www.theothersideoftraveling.com

MM

There is clearly much 'gray area' in life and all is open to interpretation. Nonetheless, the quandry over whether to turn in/report your friend seems like an oxymoron to me. If your friend is not making you complicit in his actions or exposing you to any potential ramifications.... where are you even coming from? If even you don't know the legality of it how can you consider reporting it just to see if the authorities oppose it? Very odd, indeed. Maybe if your friend was planning an armed robbery where lives were at stake and clear laws broken..... but a potentially illegal (which is a stretch for a vendor agreement such as ff programs)and in at least your opinion unethical plan? Sounds a little funky to me.

i guess i am interested in knowing what you finally decided to do? I believe your friend should be told how you feel about the issue. Of course, their soul is their own.

My friend knows my thoughts... what he chooses to do from this point forward is up to him.

They did this with a rather powerful webmail "computer". You could do an easy modification to make it a fully functional computer. After realizing this, they altered the terms of use. Didn't really matter to those of us who already purchased the hackable boxes, even knowing that we were not going to use them for their intended purpose.

Last year, around May, Expedia for a few hours: JFK-BKK $99 RT. Child's fare was posted, I believe, as available to adults.

yes, do give us the details. for this could be a great scheme for me to participate in and sort of make up for all the crap that the airlines and their shady partners pull on us.

Not in regular life, but in my miles life, I certainly think that I am more than entitled to scam them if they can scam me--and they DO scam us all... (And oh yes, there IS a difference)

MM
-has anyone ever been able to get a phone contact for MetaReward or Ebay Anything Points?
I rest my case.

Query:

How is back to back ticketing fraud? What criminal statute covers it?

More to the point, what if I simply by back to back tickets on two different airlines? If that ISN'T fraud (And I wonder how it can be), then why would buying them on one airline be fraud?

Regards,
-Bouncer-
ps: I've never had reason to do this, but it seems odd that someone can claim this.

I certainly agree. The miles/points landscape is littered with firms that have advertised miles/points for sign ups, purchase of something, etc., but then never actually delivered on the promises. Aside from the aforementioned Points.com/E-bay promo, which I decided not to participate in (too complex), I can recall the following:

GoldPoints/ValueMags fiasco (all GoldPoints fault in my view)
AT&T & MCI long distance sign-ups
MyReceivables.com (they offered 500 AA miles for leads for their business then claimed it was only for "qualified" leads and didn't deliver)
Office Max
MilesMall (They run hot & cold; one time I had to report them to BBB before I received my miles. Now I shop elsewhere.)
Sheraton Norwood (500 Starpoints for signing up to receive info on their meeting facilities....they reneged..details available on the Starwood forum)

I'm sure there are many others. My view now is to pursue what is owed, diligently, and stop doing business with the offending company if they don't deliver.

I echo these thoughts

i dont know either-seeing as how you are paying them money anyway.
is it that you are finding a way to legally pay them LESS because of your creativity and they just dont like people who figure things out, or are there some real laws being broken?

We have to fly two airlines and cross the itins this coming winter. Will fly BOS to AMS on one, and before we use its return, we will be flying AMS to BOS and then back on another. So is that the same thing?

We also have to take busses and trains in there... do they care too (if they offer miles and are thus, partners?)