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I think @Isochronous meant the CC users that live beyond their means and pay interest / late fees which equal the profits that banks make by issuing the card.
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
(Post 36178984)
I think @Isochronous meant the CC users that live beyond their means and pay interest / late fees which equal the profits that banks make by issuing the card.
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Maybe large merchants can access that. But small merchants (like myself) have ZERO bargaining power on these charges. I assure you I am not getting .5% rate on debit cards. I only process about 125k a year in direct credit card transactions and about 500k a year in indirect (my product sold through large online platforms). I pay 3% transaction fee across the board. IF I was processing in person (card in hand, face to face), I could get it to 2.3% at best.
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Originally Posted by DeirdreTours
(Post 36291364)
Maybe large merchants can access that. But small merchants (like myself) have ZERO bargaining power on these charges. I assure you I am not getting .5% rate on debit cards. I only process about 125k a year in direct credit card transactions and about 500k a year in indirect (my product sold through large online platforms). I pay 3% transaction fee across the board. IF I was processing in person (card in hand, face to face), I could get it to 2.3% at best.
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Originally Posted by tmiw
(Post 36291583)
That brings up another point--assuming interchange is in fact forced down somehow, it's very possible the processors won't pass much (if any) of the savings onto their merchants. Though at least at the processor level, there is possibly enough competition to mitigate that (assuming merchants can get out of existing agreements relatively easily of course).
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Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 36291591)
Isn't passing through the savings to merchants pretty much the entire point?
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Here's an op-ed from someone claiming that the Credit Card Competition Act will reduce card security by reducing the amount of money that Visa, MC, etc. have to combat fraud. Not only does the author assume that interchange paid by merchants will decrease (it very well might not, especially for a lot of smaller businesses), card security is arguably better in places with low interchange fees (like the EU) thanks to legally mandated 2FA for online purchases and PIN authentication for larger in-person ones.
Really, as I've said before, a legally mandated cap would be better than this bill (assuming this is actually a problem that should be solved, of course). |
It's not just about rewards. It's about perks that protect consumers: car rental insurance, extended warranty, purchase protection, luggage delay, hotel burglary, price protection, etc.
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Originally Posted by sokolov
(Post 36687562)
It's not just about rewards. It's about perks that protect consumers: car rental insurance, extended warranty, purchase protection, luggage delay, hotel burglary, price protection, etc.
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i thought you couldnt accept payment with a visa card without going through the visa network?
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wsj.com/opinion/dick-durbin-credit-card-bill-visa-mastercard-discover-rewards-programs-89f92b12
The new credit-card mandate would be a boon for Discover, which is based in Mr. Durbin's home state banks in four-party card systems that have assets of over $100 billion cannot restrict the number of networks on which an electronic credit transaction may be processed to less than two unaffiliated networks, at least one of which must be outside of the top two largest networks. |
I don’t see any benefit to the government getting involved in this - in fact it almost certainly would be worse. Just compliance with any new regulations will come at a cost likely offsetting any fee the free market sets.
While we can lament the 3% fees as having an impact on prices, what about the cost/risk of securely transporting large volumes of cash? I’m happy to not have to walk around with thousands in cash to buy a refrigerator, and the vendor gets the funds securely in an account without the same risk of theft. Even going to a farmers market it is easy and convenient and less labor intensive for a vendor to sign up and use Square with a simple device and a cell phone. I’m sure that increases sales. Of course we are happy to collect the points or cash back - in fact I recommend that everyone should as long as they understand how the credit card works and don’t fall into the trap of high interest debt. |
Companies like Walmart don't pay 3% interchange fees; independent retailers often do. These numbers have significant impact in low margin industries (e.g grocery).
I agree that this is something that the government could screw up, but it doesn't seem that complicated to me. |
Originally Posted by quinella66
(Post 37405259)
I don’t see any benefit to the government getting involved in this - in fact it almost certainly would be worse. Just compliance with any new regulations will come at a cost likely offsetting any fee the free market sets.
While we can lament the 3% fees as having an impact on prices, what about the cost/risk of securely transporting large volumes of cash? I’m happy to not have to walk around with thousands in cash to buy a refrigerator, and the vendor gets the funds securely in an account without the same risk of theft. Even going to a farmers market it is easy and convenient and less labor intensive for a vendor to sign up and use Square with a simple device and a cell phone. I’m sure that increases sales. Of course we are happy to collect the points or cash back - in fact I recommend that everyone should as long as they understand how the credit card works and don’t fall into the trap of high interest debt. |
Originally Posted by quinella66
(Post 37405259)
I don’t see any benefit to the government getting involved in this - in fact it almost certainly would be worse. Just compliance with any new regulations will come at a cost likely offsetting any fee the free market sets.
While we can lament the 3% fees as having an impact on prices, what about the cost/risk of securely transporting large volumes of cash? I’m happy to not have to walk around with thousands in cash to buy a refrigerator, and the vendor gets the funds securely in an account without the same risk of theft. Even going to a farmers market it is easy and convenient and less labor intensive for a vendor to sign up and use Square with a simple device and a cell phone. I’m sure that increases sales. Of course we are happy to collect the points or cash back - in fact I recommend that everyone should as long as they understand how the credit card works and don’t fall into the trap of high interest debt. |
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