Putting in your FF# for someone else's flights
Jul 19, 2012 | 9:19 pm
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Jul 20, 2012 | 3:17 am
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I know a father/son duo who have the same name. The son lives in Japan and when they travel to see each other they use the same FF#. They've been doing this for years and have had no problems.
Jul 20, 2012 | 4:04 am
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Jul 20, 2012 | 5:05 am
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The part of my post which you quoted refers to account sharing with two account-sharing persons' gender and birthdate being different from one another. No mention of name in that section.
To go into names and sex/gender:
Many names are used in ways that gender may be less than clear. A variety of names in South/Central Asia that are considered "female" there (as well as perhaps "male") are considered "male"-only in SW Asia. In other cultural arrangements, there are names like Andrea which are used by males and females. Then there is also the sex/gender-change(d) community, which many more may consider awkward but really is just a natural continuation of what has been around for millenia.
To go into names and sex/gender:
Many names are used in ways that gender may be less than clear. A variety of names in South/Central Asia that are considered "female" there (as well as perhaps "male") are considered "male"-only in SW Asia. In other cultural arrangements, there are names like Andrea which are used by males and females. Then there is also the sex/gender-change(d) community, which many more may consider awkward but really is just a natural continuation of what has been around for millenia.
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Jul 20, 2012 | 8:28 am
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Jul 20, 2012 | 10:07 am
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Whatever they want and/or do. I routinely don't care to correct the birthdate and sex/gender mistakes in the stupid TSA-required (In)Secure Flight fields. No major problem. Even for international travel the passport data can be appropriately communicated regardless of garbage data in the fields required by the TSA.
Jul 20, 2012 | 12:11 pm
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You can't get a ticket issued without a date of birth in the record - either from the airline, from a travel agent, or from a 3rd party website.
Jul 20, 2012 | 12:14 pm
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Ethical qualms aside, is this legal? Or if not legal, then at the very least, possible to do without getting in trouble? A relative of mine is flying transcon tomorrow and asked me to do the online check-in; tried to get her to sign up for AS' mileage plan but she had no interest whatsoever in doing so (nor, for that matter, for putting in another airline's #). I'm still trying to convince her of the benefits of opening a new FF account, but if that fails, then I'd sure hate to see those miles go to waste. Perhaps someone's tried this out? Just curious. Thanks!
Jul 20, 2012 | 12:20 pm
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Most probably no problem or perhaps even a solution to a problem -- with regard to the stupid government blacklists for those too innocent to be arrested and yet too "guilty" to be treated fairly without being subject to extra-judicial punishment determined by the modern day-equivalent of royal tools and fools' Star Chamber.
Jul 20, 2012 | 12:25 pm
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It varies, as many do still get tickets issued without the info at the time of ticketing. And where there is a demand for the birthdate and sex of the passenger prior to ticketing, junk info is most commonly not a problem.
Jul 20, 2012 | 7:48 pm
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I'm not trying to be argumentative but I would really like to know where/how one can get a ticket issued in the US without a birth date. Thanks.
Jul 20, 2012 | 11:16 pm
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Last year I had a situation like this, me and my wife were suppose to fly from SNA-SEA as a same-day MR so my wife can get AA Gold. Departure date came, she had an important meeting that day and couldn't fly with me. I checked both of us in . Waiting for the plane to depart, I thought why didn;t I used her boarding pass to get to the plane and she got the mile credited to her account. I decided not to do that. My theoretical question is had I did that, assuming the GA didn't really care and with our names, it's kind of hard to tell from male or female, would my wife get the miles right, because according to the boarding manifest, she was the one that flying and I was not.
A) TSA shouldn't have access to that info
B) You are not required to use a FFN to fly
C) Which FFN would they use? Surely you have more than one?
D) The point of the no-fly list is that you aren't allowed to fly frequently.
Idiocy like this is exactly why TSA runs roughshod over people at checkpoints. It's even not Constitutional for the TSA to force you to show ID to travel - that was settled in Gilmore vs. Gonzalez. Why on earth would you think TSA had any power or authority to scrutinize or verify your frequent flyer number?
Any violations of frequent flyer accounts are strictly between you and the airline, and punishments are limited to seizure of your miles and account, and in extreme cases, being banned from flying the airline. Perhaps you would be open to a civil fraud lawsuit.
Jul 20, 2012 | 11:34 pm
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You probably would have been fine. If the GA noticed a gender mismatch with the first name and said something, you could have just said, "Ooops! I grabbed the wrong one. My wife was supposed to be on this trip, but she had a last-minute crisis at work." Then dig around in your carryon and find your real BP to hand her.
Are you serious?!? Why on earth would FFN be on the no-fly list?
A) TSA shouldn't have access to that info
B) You are not required to use a FFN to fly
C) Which FFN would they use? Surely you have more than one?
D) The point of the no-fly list is that you aren't allowed to fly frequently.
Idiocy like this is exactly why TSA runs roughshod over people at checkpoints. It's even not Constitutional for the TSA to force you to show ID to travel - that was settled in Gilmore vs. Gonzalez. Why on earth would you think TSA had any power or authority to scrutinize or verify your frequent flyer number?
Any violations of frequent flyer accounts are strictly between you and the airline, and punishments are limited to seizure of your miles and account, and in extreme cases, being banned from flying the airline. Perhaps you would be open to a civil fraud lawsuit.
Are you serious?!? Why on earth would FFN be on the no-fly list?
A) TSA shouldn't have access to that info
B) You are not required to use a FFN to fly
C) Which FFN would they use? Surely you have more than one?
D) The point of the no-fly list is that you aren't allowed to fly frequently.
Idiocy like this is exactly why TSA runs roughshod over people at checkpoints. It's even not Constitutional for the TSA to force you to show ID to travel - that was settled in Gilmore vs. Gonzalez. Why on earth would you think TSA had any power or authority to scrutinize or verify your frequent flyer number?
Any violations of frequent flyer accounts are strictly between you and the airline, and punishments are limited to seizure of your miles and account, and in extreme cases, being banned from flying the airline. Perhaps you would be open to a civil fraud lawsuit.
Ugh I really do dislike the tsa tho.
Jul 20, 2012 | 11:56 pm
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Not all tickets get issued in the US, and passengers are still being booked by persons who don't have the passenger birthdate info. This is partly why some of us repeatedly find check-in in the US is held up until the info is entered at check-in at the airport or when doing online checkin.
Jul 22, 2012 | 12:40 pm
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I do not know what they do about birthdates.