Miles for shares?
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Miles for shares?
Is there any frequent flyer program that rewards customers with shares in the company they fly with?
I think this would strengthen the relationship between the airline and the passengers/shareholders a lot. "Do I fly with $competitor or with my company?"
I think this would strengthen the relationship between the airline and the passengers/shareholders a lot. "Do I fly with $competitor or with my company?"
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How would that even work?
There are only a fixed number of shares available. Even if they gave out a tiny amount to each person every year, it would quickly become a significant portion of the entire company.
Plus the company could only technically give away the shares that it owns itself. Private shareholders aren't going to give away their shares. The only solution then would be to issue more shares. I guarantee you most board members are not going to allow issuing more shares, because that would quickly devalue their shares.
It could only work for a very short period of time if at all.
There are only a fixed number of shares available. Even if they gave out a tiny amount to each person every year, it would quickly become a significant portion of the entire company.
Plus the company could only technically give away the shares that it owns itself. Private shareholders aren't going to give away their shares. The only solution then would be to issue more shares. I guarantee you most board members are not going to allow issuing more shares, because that would quickly devalue their shares.
It could only work for a very short period of time if at all.
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No, never has been and never would. Maybe you meant what Johndoe123 said?
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LUV (WN) is the only airline I see that currently offers dividends.
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How would that even work?
There are only a fixed number of shares available. Even if they gave out a tiny amount to each person every year, it would quickly become a significant portion of the entire company.
Plus the company could only technically give away the shares that it owns itself. Private shareholders aren't going to give away their shares. The only solution then would be to issue more shares. I guarantee you most board members are not going to allow issuing more shares, because that would quickly devalue their shares.
It could only work for a very short period of time if at all.
There are only a fixed number of shares available. Even if they gave out a tiny amount to each person every year, it would quickly become a significant portion of the entire company.
Plus the company could only technically give away the shares that it owns itself. Private shareholders aren't going to give away their shares. The only solution then would be to issue more shares. I guarantee you most board members are not going to allow issuing more shares, because that would quickly devalue their shares.
It could only work for a very short period of time if at all.
I think the issue with not having such an arrangements is not because it's technically possible but because:
- first of all in my opinion most Americans will just not feel comfortable owning individual shares - most people don't know how to deal with them and feel much better with cash or miles.
- there will be tax issues when selling these shares - as "tax cost basis" of these shares is uncertain (worse yet probably zero)
- share prices constantly change so from financial perspective the company will issue rewards inherently variable in value - not a deal-killer in and by itself but making gloom idea even gloomier
On the other side I like this idea for its creativity!!! Maybe you can create an airline that will implement such a program and break the ice?
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Technically this program is more than possible - think about stock options the company issues to its employees - these are additional shares issued by the company and not taken from existing shareholders. So why not do that with your customers if you can do that with you employees?
I think the issue with not having such an arrangements is not because it's technically possible but because:
- first of all in my opinion most Americans will just not feel comfortable owning individual shares - most people don't know how to deal with them and feel much better with cash or miles.
- there will be tax issues when selling these shares - as "tax cost basis" of these shares is uncertain (worse yet probably zero)
- share prices constantly change so from financial perspective the company will issue rewards inherently variable in value - not a deal-killer in and by itself but making gloom idea even gloomier
On the other side I like this idea for its creativity!!! Maybe you can create an airline that will implement such a program and break the ice?
I think the issue with not having such an arrangements is not because it's technically possible but because:
- first of all in my opinion most Americans will just not feel comfortable owning individual shares - most people don't know how to deal with them and feel much better with cash or miles.
- there will be tax issues when selling these shares - as "tax cost basis" of these shares is uncertain (worse yet probably zero)
- share prices constantly change so from financial perspective the company will issue rewards inherently variable in value - not a deal-killer in and by itself but making gloom idea even gloomier
On the other side I like this idea for its creativity!!! Maybe you can create an airline that will implement such a program and break the ice?
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Implementing this for an airline would be tricky. To have the airline hand out miles to every shareholder wouldn't work. You would end up with mutual funds sitting on mountains of unusable miles.
Perhaps a program where shareholders could earn double or triple miles on flights could be implemented. You would have to go through the headache of proving you own a sufficient number of shares every time you fly.
The idea has merit, I just can't quite see how it gets implemented.
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Technically this program is more than possible - think about stock options the company issues to its employees - these are additional shares issued by the company and not taken from existing shareholders. So why not do that with your customers if you can do that with you employees?
No matter what you do, shares will have to be given out from the pool of available shares which is not limitless.
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Value the miles at whatever they are valued in the balance sheet, value the stock every quarter and put it in the website. The airline would mail you the certificate. Then all you need to do is send it to your broker or frame it if you want.
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British Airways offered shareholder discounts, and it sounds as if this will be continued for IAG shareholders:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...-discount.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...-discount.html
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For hotels:
I seem to recall that Loews' Hotels gives (gave?) some sort of discount to shareholders.
Also a smallish chain called Jameson Inns had a program starting in 2005 where you'd get stock for staying. This struck me as pretty interesting, though I never participated.
"...The frequent stay program awards 10 percent of a member’s hotel room charges in the form of common stock to each qualified guest of Jameson Inn or Signature Inn hotels. Customers qualify by enrolling online and staying at least three nights during a 12 month period..."
http://www.thetruecitizen.com/news/2.../News/053.html
I seem to recall that Loews' Hotels gives (gave?) some sort of discount to shareholders.
Also a smallish chain called Jameson Inns had a program starting in 2005 where you'd get stock for staying. This struck me as pretty interesting, though I never participated.
"...The frequent stay program awards 10 percent of a member’s hotel room charges in the form of common stock to each qualified guest of Jameson Inn or Signature Inn hotels. Customers qualify by enrolling online and staying at least three nights during a 12 month period..."
http://www.thetruecitizen.com/news/2.../News/053.html
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