Building miles from scratch
#16
In memoriam
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Near Jacksonville FL
Posts: 3,987
Some background info first: I live in New York, so could fly out of JFK or LGA (or even EWK if need be...) I fly only twice a year now. Once domestically to Detroit and once internationally to France. Usually I pick my ticket based purely on price and not on accruing miles, and I want to start collecting miles.
I'm not sure which airline I should stick to when it comes to building miles. It's dizzying the number of airline CC offers out there.
Right now I'm tempted to go for the AA 75k option. I read the major thread and post #2, all the FF have given great advice on how to procure the card(s).
Question is this... My goal one day is to fly to Asia on points. Am I on the right track to start with AA and their OneWorld alliance? I saw that Cathay and Japan airlines are in that alliance, but is there a better way?
I'm not sure which airline I should stick to when it comes to building miles. It's dizzying the number of airline CC offers out there.
Right now I'm tempted to go for the AA 75k option. I read the major thread and post #2, all the FF have given great advice on how to procure the card(s).
Question is this... My goal one day is to fly to Asia on points. Am I on the right track to start with AA and their OneWorld alliance? I saw that Cathay and Japan airlines are in that alliance, but is there a better way?
. Anyway - take a look at the route maps of various airlines. See which airlines go where.Like I said - I have only been to Asia once - but my specific goal then was Japan (which I think is a fabulous place for a first trip to Asia). I went on CO (EWR to Tokyo non-stop). I am now thinking of my second trip to Asia - to China. Want to fly into/out of Shanghai/Beijing. CO does that - again out of EWR. FWIW - I have never been thrilled about using international partner airlines for rewards (although I wouldn't hesitate to buy tickets on them). Too many possible "gotchas" (like big fuel surcharges). Note that trips to Asia are pretty expensive in terms of points (check the airlines you're considering in terms of their reward charts). Unless you want to fly BF or First - you may be better off hunting for specials and sales on various airlines - especially during off or shoulder seasons (although off season in various parts of Asia can be super hot - or really cold).
What airlines do you usually fly to Detroit and France? Do you spend a fair amount of money on credit cards? Robyn
#17
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Near Jacksonville FL
Posts: 3,987
I'd think seriously about Delta. They use JFK and LGA as major hubs, which would allow you to fly virtually anywhere domestically non-stop, and you'd have a million options for your DTW trip. Also, they offer great coverage to Europe both directly on DL and through their Skyteam partners like KLM, Air France, and Alitalia.
They also offer mileage bonus for even their lowest-tier elite flyers (Silver Medallion) which allows you to build miles quickly. The one downside is that if you cared about upgrades, you might be out of luck given that NYC has a lot of Delta elite flyers, but that doesn't sound like your concern.
As for Asia, Delta does daily non-stops to Japan, China, Korea, and is partners with Korean Airlines and Vietnam Airlines.
I have no idea what their CC sign-up promo is right now, but would encourage you to think long-term. A big bonus up-front is obviously nice but, to reach your goals, you are going to be tied to your airline FF program for some time to come.
Best of luck.
They also offer mileage bonus for even their lowest-tier elite flyers (Silver Medallion) which allows you to build miles quickly. The one downside is that if you cared about upgrades, you might be out of luck given that NYC has a lot of Delta elite flyers, but that doesn't sound like your concern.
As for Asia, Delta does daily non-stops to Japan, China, Korea, and is partners with Korean Airlines and Vietnam Airlines.
I have no idea what their CC sign-up promo is right now, but would encourage you to think long-term. A big bonus up-front is obviously nice but, to reach your goals, you are going to be tied to your airline FF program for some time to come.
Best of luck.
FWIW - there is no international service from JAX. I usually hub through a New York airport or Atlanta when I fly out of the US. Robyn
Last edited by robyng; Aug 3, 2011 at 4:24 pm
#18
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Near Jacksonville FL
Posts: 3,987
I just started this last year and although I'm not sure about the flying to Asia part, the AA cards are the best starting option in my opinion.
Using post #2
, apply for both personals at the same time, get 150K miles, and then 61+ days later apply for the 75K business card and you'll be at an awesome start 225K miles after your spends are complete and you could get to Asia and back in first class (max 67.5K each way) and still have 90K miles!
Using post #2
, apply for both personals at the same time, get 150K miles, and then 61+ days later apply for the 75K business card and you'll be at an awesome start 225K miles after your spends are complete and you could get to Asia and back in first class (max 67.5K each way) and still have 90K miles!
#19
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Near Jacksonville FL
Posts: 3,987
Thanks! Yea I've flown Delta quite a few times since they got so many flights to DTW from NYC. Their current promo isn't too enticing, and also the annual fee ($95) on their CC is high. Do most folks keep their airline CC if it's their main airline? Even if they only do two flights on it a year?
#20
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 77
I've flown Delta and Air France to the respective areas. I just don't hear a lot about people who use Delta miles to go to Asia though...
#21
Join Date: Jun 2011
Programs: *G, M+ Platinum
Posts: 619
IMHO, *A is unmatched in Asia. Between ANA, Air China, Singapore, Thai, Asiana and Turkish, if you can't get there, it's probably only accessible by boat.
x2 on underestimating the distance. I had to go to Korea for work, and I asked if I should "swing by" another vendor in Malaysia ... my coworkers showed me the map ... I felt pretty American at that point ... LOL
x2 on underestimating the distance. I had to go to Korea for work, and I asked if I should "swing by" another vendor in Malaysia ... my coworkers showed me the map ... I felt pretty American at that point ... LOL
#22
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Near Jacksonville FL
Posts: 3,987
Haha, yes Asia is a big place. I guess if I had to pick a place, it would be Hong Kong or Tokyo. I just assumed both are fairly large airports with lots of service, but I'll double check that.
I've flown Delta and Air France to the respective areas. I just don't hear a lot about people who use Delta miles to go to Asia though...
I've flown Delta and Air France to the respective areas. I just don't hear a lot about people who use Delta miles to go to Asia though...
And I would very very much recommend Japan as a first trip to Asia. It is a totally first world country. Extremely clean (you can eat food at street festivals - you could probably eat food dropped on the streets too) - no street crime to speak of - people are polite and honest - and there is no tipping at all anywhere! Very compact country too. With its excellent train system - you can see a fair amount of the country on a reasonably short trip.
Two downsides. Unless you're a trooper when it comes to jet leg - the 12-13 hour time difference will drive you a little nuts (but that is true of all of Asia). So I would recommend a trip of at least 10 days (we were there for 3 weeks - and I never did get totally straight in terms of jet lag - but I am also totally terrible when it comes to jet lag). Second - you will find very little English spoken. So if I were planning to go to Japan - I would try to learn at least a little of the spoken language in advance (forget about the written language unless you have 3-5+ years) . I plan our international trips usually 9-12 months in advance - and my husband studied speaking Japanese using the Pimsleur tapes for almost a year before we went. He didn't learn a huge amount - but a little Japanese in Japan is a whole lot better than none.
If you are considering a trip to Japan - go to the Japan forum here. The people there are very knowledgeable and very helpful. FWIW - I am a garden type person - and we went during Cherry Blossom season. It was wonderful
. Robyn
#23
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Near Jacksonville FL
Posts: 3,987
IMHO, *A is unmatched in Asia. Between ANA, Air China, Singapore, Thai, Asiana and Turkish, if you can't get there, it's probably only accessible by boat.
x2 on underestimating the distance. I had to go to Korea for work, and I asked if I should "swing by" another vendor in Malaysia ... my coworkers showed me the map ... I felt pretty American at that point ... LOL
x2 on underestimating the distance. I had to go to Korea for work, and I asked if I should "swing by" another vendor in Malaysia ... my coworkers showed me the map ... I felt pretty American at that point ... LOL
. Robyn
#24
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NYC
Programs: Mileage Plus, Aadvantage, Skymiles, Marriott, Priority Club, SPG, Amtrak, Hertz
Posts: 834
I'm also based in an NY. I'm not a fan of Delta. I never seem to be able to find reward flight at the low-mileage level. I love Continental and I've had great luck finding exactly the tickets I need on their website. One world seems good too. I've redeemed a couple of awards with them, and I'll probably redeem more once the 150miles I have coming from the Citi cards post to my account.
#25

Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 111
I'm building from scratch as well and the people here and some other blogs are invaluable. I have not flown USAir, and have almost 16000 miles. So my advice, especially if you're still on the fence for credit cards, is to read here (and the blogs of many of the members) and get yourself an Award Wallet account to track all the programs you join. If you need an Award Wallet upgrade code, there's a thread (I forget if it's in Miles Buzz or SPAM).
#26
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 77
Thanks for your tip on that! I do like those cherry blossom festivals here in the U.S., I can only imagine what they're like in japan! Thanks for all the other advice on traveling to Japan too!
#27
Join Date: Apr 2011
Programs: AA, BA, CO, Delta, Taca
Posts: 1
I flew Delta to MNL via NRT a few months ago and the plane was old and terrible. Something from the 1970's... a community movie screen type display (just one for an entire section) with a few terrible movies didn't make a 20 hour flight go any quicker. They also overbooked the hell out of all legs of the flight, no empty seats in either direction and they made us disembark in NRT even though the second leg was on the same plane.

