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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 6:24 am
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What proof do you have that he or she is doing it? Have you been the victim? there are various corporate upgrades out there that Delta gives out all the time.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 6:46 am
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Unfortunately the DL forum is not the appropriate home for this topic. As the topic concerns an aspect of status matching, although in this case it really doesn't, I am moving this thread to MilesBuzz. Please don't be surprised if the moderators there decide to move it elsewhere.

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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 10:10 am
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Originally Posted by hfly
and if the person is doing it multiple times he most likely will not be able to make the status on his own in the future and no programme will status match someone again a second time, especially when they have not been able to keep up a previous status match.
But CO status matches every five years
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 11:39 am
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Originally Posted by Jazzop
Also, how about the impact on the airline's willingness to perform status matches in the first place? When people abuse systems, the systems get changed or eliminated.
I believe loyalty programs should reward loyalty. Status matches for flying with a different carrier reward treachery. Whether you are status matching the right way or the fraudulent way, you're getting unearned status imho.

OP - whether your concern for your friend stems from ethical or legal concerns, I wouldn't worry about it too much.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 1:02 pm
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Sure sounds like wire and/or mail fraud to me.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 1:19 pm
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Originally Posted by majortom546
I didn't really know where to ask this, as most places people won't know what a status match is. Basically I know someone who is selling "status'" on various websties. What he is doing is submitting fake credentials (photoshopped with the persons name) from one airline to the other in order to obtain a match. I was wondering what, if any, legal trouble could he get into if he were caught? I care about him a lot and have asked him to stop but he sees it as easy money.

This is a definitely a fraud and there are no two ways about it. The person could be indicted for forging someone's identity.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 1:39 pm
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Originally Posted by saaru
This is a definitely a fraud and there are no two ways about it. The person could be indicted for forging someone's identity.
What are you talking about? He's not forging anyone identity. He's forging credentials which is most likely flight activity or hotel stay activity.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 1:52 pm
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Originally Posted by adcollect
Who cares.
If you cant help a fellow flyertalker with a civil answer then maybe you should not post at all.

obviously the OP does care and is asking for opinions.

and yes I would think it is fraud.
but unfortunately its hard to stop someone on a roll

hope this helps.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 6:33 pm
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Originally Posted by hejustlaughs
What are you talking about? He's not forging anyone identity. He's forging credentials which is most likely flight activity or hotel stay activity.

I agree. The OP's friend is essentially selling "references", if you will, to those who don't have them. From what I have learned in my short time on FT, many airlines require the completion of a challenge for elite status to come into permanent effect (UA's 90 days; BD's 3 months during their recent *S give-away; AA's paid-for challenges...etc, etc.). If you don't fly the miles then the purchaser will be out-of-pocket for the reference and will not likely be able to have status matched in the future, and is therefore a loser. At most it will be a 3-month inconvenience to those who have earned status the hard way. I am not familiar with US law, so I cannot speculate as to which, if any, laws are being broken.

[As an aside, I watched a documentary entitled "Ryanair: Caught Napping" last night in which FA's admitted to providing false references for each other. Supposedly they also demoted a Captain on the spot because he refused to fly as he felt too fatigued!]
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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 6:05 am
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I've seen ads on Craigslist that off status for certain prices for both hotel and airlines. I always assumed it was some kind of status match and it might not be in a legit way.
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