(FARE GONE) DL: KUL to YYZ/YVR in Business Class from 525 USD++ (o/w)
Apr 24, 2009, 3:59 pm
#199
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Can you guys please be discrete when discussing about the KUL-YVR fare via Kangaroo land because it is precisely this kind of open discussion that hastens the process of fare being pulled as it is actually in violation of the fare rule if you scrutinize the rules carefully. Even though the booking engine allows you to ticket it, it doesn't mean that all is fine. Its just that the the GDS and booking system doesn't check for that provision. Buts its clearly written in the fare rules via the North Pacific.
Help each other by not doing illegal routings that cause the fare to be pulled
Help each other by not doing illegal routings that cause the fare to be pulled
Apr 24, 2009, 4:23 pm
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Apr 24, 2009, 4:23 pm
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So if I wanted to pick dates where enroute winds generally favor more southerly oceanic tracks which dates should I investigate?
Or, failing that, how to at least stay off of KE metal on a NOPAC crossing? CI/KE metal are dealbreakers for me.
Would appreciate any advice by PM.
Or, failing that, how to at least stay off of KE metal on a NOPAC crossing? CI/KE metal are dealbreakers for me.
Would appreciate any advice by PM.
Apr 24, 2009, 5:07 pm
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Apr 24, 2009, 5:20 pm
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Those with illegal routings who've been so clever 
to post the full details may be spoiling it not only for others but also for themselves if they get denied boarding. Look what happened in the past to some of those on the CMB fares...
to post the full details may be spoiling it not only for others but also for themselves if they get denied boarding. Look what happened in the past to some of those on the CMB fares...
Apr 24, 2009, 5:27 pm
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So let's say an "illegal" routing was successfully ticketed. Wouldn't the airline's only recourse be to send a debit memo to the agency that made the booking?
Apr 24, 2009, 5:35 pm
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She then told me that she has to call up head office first because the ... flight which I booked initially is a ... code share which does not exist anymore and she has to find out if I can fly with ... now. She told me to sit and wait. She went off with my paper tix to another area. She disappeared for at least 45 minutes I think. I just stood around waiting since there are no seats near the counter. In the meantime, at various times, a Mr Y came along to ask for my passport and to provide proof of outbound flight from Sri Lanka. After at least one hour, I went up to Mr Y and asked him what the problem was. He would not meet me in the eye and said to wait, someone will come to speak to you.
Ms X reappeared and told me that head office said my ticket is invalid. It is a “fraudulent” ticket! I asked her how could the ticket be a fraud ? She said it could be "stolen" by me or my TA. I was mad. I told her I paid for it with my credit card (... took the money!) and I travelled on it for all segments up till now so all those airlines should have picked up any problem long ago. She said that's because all the other airlines did not check it. I then told her the tix was issued by ... themselves and I travelled the first segment with ...! She said - true, ... must not have checked the tix.
[...]
I was furious and told her denying me boarding was already a sin IMO and she wanting to compound it further by confiscating my ticket or making a photocopy of it just makes it a bit too much. Anyway, I told her it's no big deal - they can deny me boarding since I can fly out with SQ the next morning (and I did). I must admit I was really furious then, I said a few nasty things and I just stormed off.
The computer print out which Ms X had in her hand which I copied:
Invalid check digit
FVTS […]#CDO
Stock control NBR - Invalid check digit
Confiscate DOC
End of story. Rather exciting. Part of the joy of traveling!
Ms X reappeared and told me that head office said my ticket is invalid. It is a “fraudulent” ticket! I asked her how could the ticket be a fraud ? She said it could be "stolen" by me or my TA. I was mad. I told her I paid for it with my credit card (... took the money!) and I travelled on it for all segments up till now so all those airlines should have picked up any problem long ago. She said that's because all the other airlines did not check it. I then told her the tix was issued by ... themselves and I travelled the first segment with ...! She said - true, ... must not have checked the tix.
[...]
I was furious and told her denying me boarding was already a sin IMO and she wanting to compound it further by confiscating my ticket or making a photocopy of it just makes it a bit too much. Anyway, I told her it's no big deal - they can deny me boarding since I can fly out with SQ the next morning (and I did). I must admit I was really furious then, I said a few nasty things and I just stormed off.
The computer print out which Ms X had in her hand which I copied:
Invalid check digit
FVTS […]#CDO
Stock control NBR - Invalid check digit
Confiscate DOC
End of story. Rather exciting. Part of the joy of traveling!
Apr 24, 2009, 5:41 pm
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Be aware also that since e-ticketing came to play, any airline on any part of the ticket can just simply refuse to fly you on that particular fare. They will simply cancel their segments or ask you to pay the difference.
The problem is harder to dispute when you hold a paper ticket.
You may cry to high heaven about your rights.. but the airline can have any reason not to fly you. SQ in particular is infamous for doing this.
The problem is harder to dispute when you hold a paper ticket.
You may cry to high heaven about your rights.. but the airline can have any reason not to fly you. SQ in particular is infamous for doing this.
Apr 24, 2009, 6:06 pm
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Be aware also that since e-ticketing came to play, any airline on any part of the ticket can just simply refuse to fly you on that particular fare. They will simply cancel their segments or ask you to pay the difference.
The problem is harder to dispute when you hold a paper ticket.
You may cry to high heaven about your rights.. but the airline can have any reason not to fly you. SQ in particular is infamous for doing this.
The problem is harder to dispute when you hold a paper ticket.
You may cry to high heaven about your rights.. but the airline can have any reason not to fly you. SQ in particular is infamous for doing this.
Apr 24, 2009, 6:22 pm
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Apr 24, 2009, 6:25 pm
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If your standing at a ticket counter ready to give them money to turn the ticket into paper they aren't going to tell you to call the TA. If you call them to make voluntary changes then they are going to tell you to call the TA or pay them an external ticketing charge for them to do it.
Apr 24, 2009, 6:26 pm
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And a TA will refuse to (re)issue you with a paper tix if there's no good reason to do so, e.g. taking BA as an example (although I assume DL is the same):
https://batraveltrade.com/trade/texe...e/public/en_gb
https://batraveltrade.com/trade/texe...e/public/en_gb
British Airways mandates the use of e-ticket on all itineraries where
e-ticket is available.
If you issue a paper ticket instead of an e-ticket you will incur a £25 fine. The following table lists which type of itineraries are included in the mandate and will attract or be exempt from the £25 ADM fine.
e-ticket is available.
If you issue a paper ticket instead of an e-ticket you will incur a £25 fine. The following table lists which type of itineraries are included in the mandate and will attract or be exempt from the £25 ADM fine.