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klanfa Sep 28, 2017 3:07 pm

Thanks ccuser11! It's been a while since I put some effort into FD, so very nice to see it in action again :)

karlot_96 Sep 28, 2017 3:14 pm


Originally Posted by C2fly (Post 28870836)
nice post ccuser11! I got a momondo script somewhere to automate search queries, maybe we can work on that together. Will PM you once the day limit is lifted.

Saw your mentioned fare too. Prices out at $165

Hi C2fly,

is that 3x dump 100% C2-C1 flight on that same career im trying but nothing good at the moment :P , can you confirm that your 3x dump also. c2-C1 possibility ?

thanks guys

C2fly Sep 28, 2017 3:34 pm

Only 50% dump ex C2, but no good fares to be seen right now anyway

karlot_96 Sep 28, 2017 3:49 pm


Originally Posted by C2fly (Post 28870949)
Only 50% dump ex C2, but no good fares to be seen right now anyway

You are right, the x3 strike dont work in the other sens.

we keep working all night :d.

I found an OJ on that carrer C2 - C1 at 262 euros. with 3euros BF & 141 YQ.

maybe we can work on it. :P

WingedWorldExplorer Sep 28, 2017 5:31 pm


Originally Posted by ccuser11 (Post 28870649)
This post is meant to give credit to fd contributors and also share my learning curve experience for noobs, wanting to get in to this hobby.[/B]

Here is 3x my contribution (found it this morning)
Fly from trump tower to famous city in Province of Varese via largest city in the Maghreb. BF is $3.00
You can ITA it with 3x to/from C3ne to dump 100%. You can negotiate for $195.xx including my 3x (can you lower it with cheaper 3x? let me know)

Happy hunting!

Nice posting and good advise.

You may have missed posting on Sep 9, 17, 2:53 pm. Posting and pricing referred to and included
additional "flexibility" option.
Base Fares have come down quite a bit since then, now as low as $ 1.00

Oj778 Sep 29, 2017 8:31 am


Originally Posted by ccuser11 (Post 28870649)
This post is meant to give credit to fd contributors and also share my learning curve experience for noobs, wanting to get in to this hobby.

There are many contributors but I want to give shout out to jorun, RangeXT, FrankTalk, giggy, BryanIAH, janetdoe, man4business, Mr. Bean and last but not least, WWE. I and many other have greatly benefited from your knowledge in picking this new hobby. Thank you for your posts throughout the years. Some of em are now on sabbatical leave from this tread, but please note, your past contribution are not forgone.

Thank you.

Few bullet point for new comers, form slightly old new comers :) …
• Do not ask for strikes - if you just want low airfare, you will not get help, might get flamed. It is hobby, Sr. member are willing to help you if ask intelligent question that reflects that your research and thread rules
• Read this thread from beginning but ... intelligently. This is very long post, a lot of it will not make sense to you, most of tricks no longer work, but if you follow users I called out earlier, you will improve your FD101 very quickly.
• It will help if you are good with programming, I downloaded this whole thread, made note of “coded tricks”, search for any past reference and context around it to have some understanding. Make sure to google the coded keyword that can provide additional understanding. Hint: do word count by post and look for the longest posts. Those are the most helpfuls ones.
• Invest time in understanding fare rules (available thru ITA). Once you have good understanding, you can then get creative.
• Search, search and search. My first 3 fd came thru while I was following specific lead from thread, I never got replicated that specific trick but instead found other ones.
• Utilize tools if you can but you get by without. My stack involves ITA, expert flyers, farefreaks, my own compiled db with open source flight and airport database, and script to lookup OTAs.
• Most of my bullets have been mentioned previously... I am simply reiterating for new comers like me.

Here is 3x my contribution (found it this morning)
Fly from trump tower to famous city in Province of Varese via largest city in the Maghreb. BF is $3.00
You can ITA it with 3x to/from C3ne to dump 100%. You can negotiate for $195.xx including my 3x (can you lower it with cheaper 3x? let me know)

Happy hunting!

Thanks for your post and contribution :)

I'm still very new to this and only flown 1 3X so far, but to my surprise I figured out your contribution within 5 minutes. I would definitely fly this, if I could get this working out of one city in Canada this airline flies to. Bit of a pain to travel to "Trump tower" or other US cities for a dirt cheap price error or 3X lol.

Thanks again

karlot_96 Sep 29, 2017 8:41 am


Originally Posted by Oj778 (Post 28873367)
Thanks for your post and contribution :)

I'm still very new to this and only flown 1 3X so far, but to my surprise I figured out your contribution within 5 minutes. I would definitely fly this, if I could get this working out of one city in Canada this airline flies to. Bit of a pain to travel to "Trump tower" or other US cities for a dirt cheap price error or 3X lol.

Thanks again

Hey friend,

I tried to check for that city who that airlines flies too --> this destination has a high BF and the price is high too.

Good luck.

WingedWorldExplorer Sep 29, 2017 8:59 am

El AL + AA Tel Aviv - New York with 1 week stop-over in European Capital € 488 ,01
 
LY/AA TLV - JFK - TLV with 1 week stop-over in European Capital

€ 488 ,01 . Bookable on .IT and .NL OTAs.

No 1X

karlot_96 Sep 29, 2017 9:07 am


Originally Posted by WingedWorldExplorer (Post 28873501)
LY/AA TLV JFK with 1 week stop-over in European Capital

€ 488 ,01 . Bookable on .IT and .NL OTAs.

No 1X

Thanks, a lot of work on this weekend. ^

nomiiiii Sep 29, 2017 1:03 pm

I have a specific question if someone has gotten screwed on their 3x due to visa rules.

Here's the situation:

Lets say PRG - JFK - PRG roundtrip is say $1000. As a US citizen I can fly this no issues.

Now lets say I have found a 3x such that say adding PRG - SVO upto one week later brings the fare down (not more than a week gap). But as a US citizen I will need a visa to enter russia which is $$$. Obviously not planning on flying this segment.

But .... when I'm boarding PRG - JFK - PRG (specially inbound JFK - PRG), is there a visa-check for Russia or would they say "oh you have a week till your connecting PRG-SVO flight, so we will only check visa eligibility for PRG for now". I understand that a visa check is 100% if I bought the ticket with < 24 hour layover JFK - PRG - SVO. But what if the ticket is bought with a PRG stopover 1 week gap?

Do we have real-life experiences of this?

flyeer Sep 29, 2017 1:43 pm


Originally Posted by WingedWorldExplorer (Post 28870461)
Boston-London Non-Stop
Helsinki-New York Non Stop

$ 159.18 All-in OneWorld Bookable on US OTA.

Originate in New York ( NYC-LON // HEL-NYC) and price is $ 169.93

Use AA BCN-JFK Non Stop as return and pay $ 176.88

In this case ITA is your friend, if programmed correctly.

Does this involve some complex construction? End-on-End not allowed? Any hints on the construction appreciated.

WingedWorldExplorer Sep 29, 2017 4:28 pm


Originally Posted by flyeer (Post 28874799)
Does this involve some complex construction? End-on-End not allowed? Any hints on the construction appreciated.

Yes. You have answered your own question..

Strike works equally well in reverse. Especially from PRG/OSL/ARN/TLV/VCE/VNO/GVA/ATH and PMI.
Even LCA is not too bad.

DreamerSte Oct 1, 2017 1:50 am


Originally Posted by karlot_96 (Post 28864480)
Hello friend,

with my small experience, not all what you find on ITA you are going to find it on OTA to book.

i have an exemple that im working on it since 1 week --> no OTA to book my flight C2 - C6 for 492 euros with CA & 3x strike.

all OTA show me the price of 950 euros. hard to me with my little experience to book, i asked for help in earlier post.

Thanks for all

I sent you the link to have this price to C6... you can book it easily for that price and enjoy NZ. Please just be less "clear" in your post and remember that 300 C2-C3 is not a good price, at least here... ;)

Super Furry Animal Oct 1, 2017 2:58 pm


Originally Posted by ccuser11 (Post 28870649)
This post is meant to give credit to fd contributors and also share my learning curve experience for noobs, wanting to get in to this hobby.

There are many contributors but I want to give shout out to jorun, RangeXT, FrankTalk, giggy, BryanIAH, janetdoe, man4business, Mr. Bean and last but not least, WWE. I and many other have greatly benefited from your knowledge in picking this new hobby. Thank you for your posts throughout the years. Some of em are now on sabbatical leave from this tread, but please note, your past contribution are not forgone.

Thank you.

Few bullet point for new comers, form slightly old new comers :) …
• Do not ask for strikes - if you just want low airfare, you will not get help, might get flamed. It is hobby, Sr. member are willing to help you if ask intelligent question that reflects that your research and thread rules
• Read this thread from beginning but ... intelligently. This is very long post, a lot of it will not make sense to you, most of tricks no longer work, but if you follow users I called out earlier, you will improve your FD101 very quickly.
• It will help if you are good with programming, I downloaded this whole thread, made note of “coded tricks”, search for any past reference and context around it to have some understanding. Make sure to google the coded keyword that can provide additional understanding. Hint: do word count by post and look for the longest posts. Those are the most helpfuls ones.
• Invest time in understanding fare rules (available thru ITA). Once you have good understanding, you can then get creative.
• Search, search and search. My first 3 fd came thru while I was following specific lead from thread, I never got replicated that specific trick but instead found other ones.
• Utilize tools if you can but you get by without. My stack involves ITA, expert flyers, farefreaks, my own compiled db with open source flight and airport database, and script to lookup OTAs.
• Most of my bullets have been mentioned previously... I am simply reiterating for new comers like me.

Here is 3x my contribution (found it this morning)
Fly from trump tower to famous city in Province of Varese via largest city in the Maghreb. BF is $3.00
You can ITA it with 3x to/from C3ne to dump 100%. You can negotiate for $195.xx including my 3x (can you lower it with cheaper 3x? let me know)

Happy hunting!

Thanks for the newbie pointers ccuser11. The collective knowledge on display here is greatly appreciated.

I'm still quite new to this but am enjoying working my way through the thread and deciphering how to piece itineraries together. Your nudges allowed me to find my first strike. I've not been able to trim quite as much fat as you and the itinerary is of no real use to me, but it gave me a concrete foundation upon which to build. Since then I've found a couple more, and I'm having lots of fun trying out various combinations and slowly learning through trial and error.

I have a quick question regarding booking an itinerary. I've now been able to dump (or at least reduce) the YQ using ITA Matrix on a couple of itineraries, but have not (yet) been able to translate this into a bookable fare with an OTA. Is there a nack to doing this? Are there certain OTA's that work better than others? Or is it the case that some fares are simply unbookable? I presume going to a real life travel agent with the fare construction is a no-no as this would risk killing the itinerary, and anything useful which can be salvaged from the fare construction for future trips?

Obviously, I have loads more questions, but at the moment I'd probably be in breach of the posting rules! I'm certainly starting to get a feel for how to operate, but am struggling to replicate most of the recent posts on here. Hopefully I'll get better with time, and hopefully I'll be able to give something back in the future :)

Calgary88 Oct 1, 2017 3:22 pm

ITA Matrix Power Tools
 
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...-lh-lx-tk.html

@:-)@:-)


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