I did carefully read the rules (trying to find a reason why that was not possible) and found no mention of MSP not being allowed. It seems that the only rule that the MSP routing might break is the "surface sector" thing. I wonder if it has to do with the fact that MSP is outside the DAY-BOS-DTW surface area.

It's not enough that MSP isn't specifically excluded; you actually need to see that MSP is included in the routing, which would look something like this:

ROUTING 509 FROM-TO IND-NW-DTT/CLE/EWR/CVG-NW-PHX*
FROM-TO IND-NW-PHX*
FROM-TO IND-NW-CVG/EWR/CLE/DTT-NW-STL/
SDF/RHI/PAH/MSN/MKC/MKG/LSE/LEX/LAF/
GRR/GRB/FWA/DAY/CVG/CMX/CLE/CWA/CMH/
CHI/ATW/BNA/BHM/ATL-NW-MEM/DFW/HOU/SLC/
MSP-NW-PHX*

Also, a "surface sector" is travel from one point to another via something other than an airline. It doesn't have to do with the "surface area" enclosed by other points. So it would have something to do with, say, an "open jaw" (e.g. BOS-DEN, return COS-BOS; DEN-COS would be a "surface sector" since it is not being traveled in the air). What I don't know is what a "fare break surface sector" would be - how could you break the fare at a point to which you're not traveling by air? Perhaps this rule is a complicated way of saying something like "no open jaws allowed"? But normally if that's what they meant, that's what they would say.

You also haven't mentioned that you confirmed that the DAY-MSP and MSP-DTW flights had availability in the fare class you were trying to book. As I mentioned before, that would be a requirement in order to book it, even if MSP is allowed within the rules.

Hope that helps.

Thanks for making the "surface sector" more clear. The availability was not an issue here, but I did not actually check the routing, as you have listed in the example above. I read the fare rules associated with that trip, but I guess I should have looked for a way to get that routing. I'm not sure ExpertFlyer is a worthy investment for me just yet tho. Thanks again.

You can usually get the routing rule for free by making a dummy booking on either Exp**ia or Pri***ine.

Really? Then you're doing something different than I'm doing. The last 20 times on Exp, it never showed the routing rules... What's your secret?

Maybe they changed something. It always worked for me as recently as last week, but I just tried several today, and the routing rules weren't there!

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=676403

Hi, I am a newbie to MR.
I can find routing rules included in the fare rules on Pr***line.com
However, there are tons of different sets of routing rules.
(e.g. FROM-TO PBI-TPA-JAX-BOS-NYC-WAS-MIA/TPA/ORL/
ATL/MSY-DEN-PHX/SJC/SLC/SMF/RNO/LAS/
GEG/BOI/EUG-ACV/SFO-PDX-SEA*
FROM-TO PBI-DAB-ORL-BOS-NYC-WAS-MIA/TPA/ORL/
ATL/MSY-DEN-PHX/SJC/SLC/SMF/RNO/LAS/
GEG/BOI/EUG-ACV/SFO-PDX-SEA*
FROM-TO PBI-TPA-JAX-WAS-EWR/NYC-MIA/TPA/ORL/
ATL/MSY-DEN-PHX/SJC/SLC/SMF/RNO/LAS/
GEG/BOI/EUG-ACV/SFO-PDX-SEA*
FROM-TO PBI-DAB-ORL-WAS-EWR/NYC-MIA/TPA/ORL/
ATL/MSY-DEN-PHX/SJC/SLC/SMF/RNO/LAS/
GEG/BOI/EUG-ACV/SFO-PDX-SEA*
FROM-TO PBI-TPA-JAX-EWR/NYC-WAS-MIA/TPA/ORL/
ATL/MSY-DEN-PHX/SJC/SLC/SMF/RNO/LAS/
GEG/BOI/EUG-ACV/SFO-PDX-SEA*
FROM-TO PBI-DAB-ORL-EWR/NYC-WAS-MIA/TPA/ORL/
ATL/MSY-DEN-PHX/SJC/SLC/SMF/RNO/LAS/
GEG/BOI/EUG-ACV/SFO-PDX-SEA*)
The list goes on and on...
And each one of them is different.
This is really frustrating. Do I have to go through each one of them or there is a way to just pick one?

Welcome to FT, William! I'll move you question to the MR Discussion forum, where our specialists will hopefully be able to help yo make some sense of the fare/routing rules.

--jpdx, MR Moderator

Where is it moved? Is there a link to it?
Thanks.

what does this mean:
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED
SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.
NOTE -
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS ARE NOT PERMITTED.

Is it just me or does Expedia (and others) no longer show possible routings in the fare rules? For example, I was using matrix1.itasoftware.com to look at an AA fare to Rome (AA OKX7Q2Z1) and in the fare rules there's no mention of routing (FROM/VIA/TO).

Hi All,

Fare break surface journey as per IATA PAT BOOK -GENERAL RULES -13.2.4.8 clause Description of fare calculation data element

As per my understanding fare break surface is also known as UNPAID SURFACE
E.G PAR AF NYC176.00/-BOS AF PAR173.00NUC...END

EMBEDDED surface journey as per IATA PAT BOOK - GENERAL RULES -13.2.4.8 clause Description of fare calculation data element

As per my understanding fare break surface is also known as PAID SURFACE
E.G PAR AF NYC //BOS 179.00 AF PAR173.00NUC...END


Please advice which of above journey qualify as per below rule -

FARE BREAK SURFACE AND EMBEDDED SURFACE NOT PERMITTED

A-Both B None C-1st one D- 2nd one

Please correct me if I am incorrect anywhere

Please help,
Dipen