Jan 14, 2019, 10:34 am
Last edit by: kevinflyaway
Code:
Please post you departure dates and routes below: March MARCH 07 BCN - FCO - LAX Madeiraportugal MARCH 11 PacificTwo MARCH 11 BCN-FCO-JFK UAPremierGuy MARCH 14 LAX - CDG - FCO - BCN Madeiraportugal MARCH 19 BCN-FCO-CDG GlennHaak MARCH 19 MAD-FCO-JFK beyounged MARCH 20 CDG-LAX GlennHaak MARCH 25 BCN-FCO-JFK JonEJacobs MARCH 25 JFK-FCO-MAD beyounged MARCH 28 LAX-FCO-BCN GlennHaak April APRIL 01 BCN-FCO-LAX - idiosyncrasy APRIL 04 BCN - FCO - CDG (+1) - LAX Mister Miles APRIL 05 JFK-FCO-BCN JonEJacobs APRIL 08 BCN - FCO - LAX - honzeek_cz APRIL 08 FCO-CDG JNLentertainment APRIL 09 CDG-LAX - JNLentertainment APRIL 09 LAX - JFK - FCO - BCN Mister Miles APRIL 23 LAX-CDG honzeek_cz APRIL 24 CDG-FCO-BCN honzeek_cz APRIL 25 MAD-LIN honzeek_cz APRIL 25 LAX-CDG-FCO-BCN idiosyncrasy APRIL 26 LIN-CDG-LAX honzeek_cz APRIL 29 LAX-FCO honzeek_cz APRIL 30 FCO-MAD honzeek_cz APRIL 30 MAD-FCO Maayan May MAY 01 FCO-LAX Maayan MAY 01 BCN-FCO-JFK ramalair MAY 02 BCN-FCO-JFK e30st MAY 02 BCN-FCO / MAY 03 FCO-LAX Travel-Quinten MAY 02 BCN-FCO-LAX Wildwater MAY 02 BCN-FCO / MAY 03 FCO-LAX bmibaby737 MAY 06 JFK-FCO-BCN (+1) e30st MAY 06 LAX-FCO-BCN (+1) Travel-Quinten MAY 06 LAX-FCO-BCN Wildwater MAY 06 LAX-JFK-FCO / MAY 07 FCO-BCN bmibaby737 MAY 08 LAX-FCO-MAD Maayan MAY 09 JFK-FCO-BCN ramalair MAY 09 LAX- FCO JNLentertainment MAY 09 FCO-BCN JNLentertainment September October November Nov 7 BCN - FCO - JFK ExpatSomchai Nov 11 JFK - FCO - BCN (+1) ExpatSomchai
[PREM FARE GONE] AZ: BCN - LAX £456 in J....
Jan 18, 2019, 7:45 am
#421
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: PWM/CDG
Programs: AF/KL Plat, AA Plat, HH Diamond
Posts: 789
AZ can downgrade you on the day of travel and would have to pay you 75% of.... not a lot under EU261.. and if they did that both ways, not sure I’d want a 32hr journey in economy class for next to nothing or free and that’s before you go into what the 75% of is refunded.
Jan 18, 2019, 8:00 am
#422
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Upper Sternistan
Posts: 10,044
I don't think they'll want to show the regulators such a pattern.
Jan 18, 2019, 8:15 am
#423
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: London Stratford, E7
Programs: BAEC Gold! Thanks to FT
Posts: 3,380
Not sure what the COC are regarding this or when an airline can inform you that you have booked an error fare and your ticket should be Economy or you can reprice if you want to travel business or when they can cancel it. Would suggest would have to be someone with deep pockets or qualified in law to pursue the airline and your positioning costs and hotels have been paid for. There’s no doubt the airline is holding all the cards here.
You forget thst airlines monitor this board and it wouldn’t take much to create a programme to run bookings with this fare basis and identify the bookings. Who knows they might just let this one slide withou5;making it public but given their reputation I wouldn’t be making other side arrangemen# yet.
Jan 18, 2019, 8:30 am
#424
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: TLV
Posts: 522
AZ can downgrade you on the day of travel and would have to pay you 75% of.... not a lot under EU261.. and if they did that both ways, not sure I’d want a 32hr journey in economy class for next to nothing or free and that’s before you go into what the 75% of is refunded.
Jan 18, 2019, 8:40 am
#425
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: PWM/CDG
Programs: AF/KL Plat, AA Plat, HH Diamond
Posts: 789
At the end of the day I think the law just covers downgrading not the circumstances leading to a downgrade unless you can point me in the direction of legislation otherwise.
Not sure what the COC are regarding this or when an airline can inform you that you have booked an error fare and your ticket should be Economy or you can reprice if you want to travel business or when they can cancel it. Would suggest would have to be someone with deep pockets or qualified in law to pursue the airline and your positioning costs and hotels have been paid for. There’s no doubt the airline is holding all the cards here.
You forget thst airlines monitor this board and it wouldn’t take much to create a programme to run bookings with this fare basis and identify the bookings. Who knows they might just let this one slide withou5;making it public but given their reputation I wouldn’t be making other side arrangemen# yet.
Sometimes, airlines may downgrade the class some passengers are flying in due to a lack of available seats. For instance, this might mean you are forced to sit in Business Class, despite paying for a First Class seat.
Jan 18, 2019, 9:14 am
#426
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: London Stratford, E7
Programs: BAEC Gold! Thanks to FT
Posts: 3,380
From what I can see from article 10 of EU261 it just says if a passenger is placed in a lower classs...... it doesn’t say downgrading. Admit it would be shabby to do but they could turn round and say it’s to preserve the integrity of Business Class for revenue purposes. Not sure what clout the CAA would have on AZ ex BCN and would it even cover DL ex US? A big can of worms for someone to unravel.
Jan 18, 2019, 9:31 am
#427
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: London Stratford, E7
Programs: BAEC Gold! Thanks to FT
Posts: 3,380
i would suspect not as it’s abundantly clear this is an error fare but happy to be proved otherwise
Jan 18, 2019, 9:47 am
#428
Used to be guidogh
Join Date: Aug 2012
Programs: FB Ultimate, Hertz Platinum, Star Aliiance Gold
Posts: 364
AZ can downgrade you on the day of travel and would have to pay you 75% of.... not a lot under EU261.. and if they did that both ways, not sure I’d want a 32hr journey in economy class for next to nothing or free and that’s before you go into what the 75% of is refunded.
Jan 18, 2019, 10:06 am
#429
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: PWM/CDG
Programs: AF/KL Plat, AA Plat, HH Diamond
Posts: 789
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flig...ation_261/2004
From what I can see from article 10 of EU261 it just says if a passenger is placed in a lower classs...... it doesn’t say downgrading. Admit it would be shabby to do but they could turn round and say it’s to preserve the integrity of Business Class for revenue purposes. Not sure what clout the CAA would have on AZ ex BCN and would it even cover DL ex US? A big can of worms for someone to unravel.
Jan 18, 2019, 10:10 am
#430
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: London Stratford, E7
Programs: BAEC Gold! Thanks to FT
Posts: 3,380
THe law is the law you break it and pay the penalty or you don’t. If you break it lots of times you pay the penalty prescribed by the law lots of times. As this is an error fare meant for Economy I’d be surprised if the regulators would waste their time on this, and to get the law changed would need a court case to change the law which I don’t see happening either,
Jan 18, 2019, 10:14 am
#431
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: LAX BUR
Programs: UA LM Airbnb
Posts: 396
Jan 18, 2019, 10:21 am
#432
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: London Stratford, E7
Programs: BAEC Gold! Thanks to FT
Posts: 3,380
What would you you do if on reaching the check in desk or boarding gate you are advised of the situation you can quote the rules until you are blue in the face but you are only getting on that plane in Economy and if you chose not to board I can’t see that is IDB and your legal recourse is 75% of half of not much,
AZ will obviously have to pay DL through the BSP for any passengers they carry so might tell DL to downgrade as well. My understanding of a downgrade on a US airline TO the EU is not covered by EU261 so you wouldn’t get 75%of not much..
Jan 18, 2019, 10:30 am
#433
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Berlin, Germany
Programs: DL DM/2MM, UA PE, HH Gold
Posts: 1,080
Correct. They can NOT cancel your ticket at any time for no reason, if that would be ok they would cancel thousands of tickets each year through the summer season to resell the cheap early buyers tickets for a much higher pirice. The regulation you are referring too is for canceled flights ( taken off the schedule completely or shifted more then 6 hours ) and regulates that in such circumstances the airline only owes you a full refund and no further compensation..
Jan 18, 2019, 12:03 pm
#434
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: LHR
Programs: Accor PLT,Thai Silver, HH Dia, SPG Titanium (LT Gold), Aegean Gold, BA Silver
Posts: 5,120
THe law is the law you break it and pay the penalty or you don’t. If you break it lots of times you pay the penalty prescribed by the law lots of times. As this is an error fare meant for Economy I’d be surprised if the regulators would waste their time on this, and to get the law changed would need a court case to change the law which I don’t see happening either,
