[PREM FARE GONE] BA/AA/LATAM r/t LHR to GYE First & Business from £797
Oct 9, 2017, 5:21 am
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Again - none of the flights you have quoted, were for F Fares.
2 of the 4 flights are in F, while 2 are in J. I agree therefore, that 50% of the flight designations are in F. However, well over 50% of the flying time is in F opposed to J. This, however, is all for a Judge to decide, opposed to FTers whose interpretation counts, legally, for nothing.
With regards to the inferior/superior seating issue, that is a red herring which I won't delve into.
M
2 of the 4 flights are in F, while 2 are in J. I agree therefore, that 50% of the flight designations are in F. However, well over 50% of the flying time is in F opposed to J. This, however, is all for a Judge to decide, opposed to FTers whose interpretation counts, legally, for nothing.
With regards to the inferior/superior seating issue, that is a red herring which I won't delve into.
M
IF someone take this to court, and IF it is not small claims court, and IF a court is willing to hear the case on the merits, a judge will finally make a determination on when an airline must honor a fare purchased on their site. (Agreed with anyone who says those are three big IF's.) BA would be required to reveal their criteria on why they honor some discounted fares and why they don't honor others. (Again, I doubt they would want to have that discussion in a public court.) The First vs. Business argument will not enter into determining the definition of valid/flyable fare vs. cancelable. If the recordings of BA agents saying this is a valid fare stay true, it will be problematic for BA to convince a court they should be allowed to cancel fares because now they think the price is too low.
The possible outcomes here...
1. BA could reverse course and allow the bookings to remain. All this goes away quietly.
2. Assuming they are canceled, most people will likely grumble grumble grumble and it will end there. BA is betting on that.
3. Assuming they are canceled, a few will likely go the small claims route. BA will offer a modest settlement. Even small claims court is not worth the effort/publicity for BA. This will end most, if not all, these small claims cases. If a small few stick around, BA will take their lumps, pay, and move on.
4. Assuming they are canceled, if someone pursues this further in federal court, and if a court is willing to hear arguments, (and, agreed again, THAT is a big IF), BA will 100% settle. The cost of (a) going to court, (b) risking a precedent-setting ruling, (c) paying court costs, (d) bad publicity and (e) a potential ruling that includes significant punitive damages, is too much to risk compared to a mildly significant, but confidential, settlement.
Don't think they would settle? Just as UA how much they quickly paid the good doctor. Oh right, we don't know. Quick confidential settlement!
Even now, I am sure BA is weighing all of this. (Think ANA reversal.) The mere cost of multiple small claims cases, in multiple jurisdictions, in multiple countries, may be enough for them to decide to honor the fare. The legal costs alone could easily make it not worth it to fight.
My thought right now is if they follow through and cancel my valid booking, I will file in Federal Court in Miami. But, hey BA, I am willing to settle... for now.
Oct 9, 2017, 10:09 am
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Oct 9, 2017, 1:39 pm
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[BA JFK-GYE] Has your ticket been canceled?
Hi y'all,
Hope this is an appropriate topic for this forum. So it has been well more than two hours (5 pm UK time) past the BA's promised deadline to cancel the JFK-GYE ticket.
I just want to say that my ticket status is still 'OK'. You could check it on BA or http://www.amadeus.com.tw/eitr/default.aspx
For anyone who might be interested, my basic itinerary info is:
Date of Departure: Late December
Connecting Point: JFK/JFK
Carrier: BA+XL+XL+BA
Ticket from: Expedia
Is your ticket OK as well (at least for now)?
p.s. I wish I could post this in the original BA Fare thread, which unfortunately is temporarily shut down. When that thread re-opens could anyone please merge the two? Much appreciated!
Hope this is an appropriate topic for this forum. So it has been well more than two hours (5 pm UK time) past the BA's promised deadline to cancel the JFK-GYE ticket.
I just want to say that my ticket status is still 'OK'. You could check it on BA or http://www.amadeus.com.tw/eitr/default.aspx
For anyone who might be interested, my basic itinerary info is:
Date of Departure: Late December
Connecting Point: JFK/JFK
Carrier: BA+XL+XL+BA
Ticket from: Expedia
Is your ticket OK as well (at least for now)?
p.s. I wish I could post this in the original BA Fare thread, which unfortunately is temporarily shut down. When that thread re-opens could anyone please merge the two? Much appreciated!
Oct 9, 2017, 2:15 pm
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Perhaps the note about cancellation was an 'error/mistake e-mail' and they will shortly issue an apology and clarification that these fares are clear for travel.
Some people seemed to receive e-mails. Others didn't. So I suspect we will have travellers turning up at the airport from tomorrow onwards intending to travel on tickets that haven't been cancelled and/or they have received no communication about regarding cancellation etc.
Some people seemed to receive e-mails. Others didn't. So I suspect we will have travellers turning up at the airport from tomorrow onwards intending to travel on tickets that haven't been cancelled and/or they have received no communication about regarding cancellation etc.
Oct 9, 2017, 3:41 pm
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Oct 9, 2017, 8:48 pm
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I don't think the letter implied they would be cancelled at 5pm on Monday... rather that you had until that time to ask for the other options offered. I would expect that they'll take some time to cancel them all (not because they should but because they inevitably will be slow to get to them all).
Oct 9, 2017, 8:49 pm
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My tickets are still there as well.
To that end, anyone flying this week?
I don't think the letter implied they would be cancelled at 5pm on Monday... rather that you had until that time to ask for the other options offered. I would expect that they'll take some time to cancel them all (not because they should but because they inevitably will be slow to get to them all).
Oct 9, 2017, 8:50 pm
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So obviously they did not cancel the fares which is very interesting. I’m just wondering if that email was a bluff to try and get you to actually call and cancel the reservation on your own. Although many people have reported And got recordings of reservation agents not knowing anything about the tickets being not valid.
So this is an interesting situation I don’t know if they’re going to cancel the tickets tomorrow, or they were bluffing and they wanted us to call and cancel it by ourselves so nobody would have a case or...
Maybe their IT department is just so bad that it’s actually going to take them a very long time to actually cancel the tickets. It’s puzzling. Anyone else have any ideas?
So this is an interesting situation I don’t know if they’re going to cancel the tickets tomorrow, or they were bluffing and they wanted us to call and cancel it by ourselves so nobody would have a case or...
Maybe their IT department is just so bad that it’s actually going to take them a very long time to actually cancel the tickets. It’s puzzling. Anyone else have any ideas?
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