[PREM FARE GONE] AA: CAI - Argentina ~$2,500, unrestricted J
#76
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So I've had some luck pricing it at under 1100GBP an hour ago but the lowest I see now is 1700. Am I unlucky or has it been pulled?
#77
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New fares appear to have been filed today...
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Routing Details Search: Departing CAI on 09/20/17 for EZE Fare basis code J Flying AA Routing via North Atlantic V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG 1I J J‡X 1407.00 ---- -/‡ -/ - AT01 PASSENGER TYPE-ADT AUTO PRICE-YES FROM-CAI TO-BUE CXR-AA TVL-20SEP17 RULE-2250 IPRSAA2/27 FARE BASIS-J NORMAL FARE DIS-N VENDOR-ATP FARE TYPE-BU OW-BUSINESS CLASS UNRESTRICTED EGP 25110.00 MPM E15AUG17 D-INFINITY FC-J FN- SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 14AUG17/1416 EXPIRES INFINITY PUBLISHED RTG CAI-BUE/AA EF-15AUG17 DIS-INDEF /VIA THE ATLANTIC/ MPM 9910 MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES BETWEEN ORIGIN AND DESTINATION MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES ORIGIN TO DESTINATION
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Routing Details Search: Departing CAI on 09/20/17 for EZE Fare basis code J1NFFMN5 Flying AA Routing via North Atlantic V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG 1I J1NFFMN5 JX 1407.00 ---- -/ -/ - AT01 PASSENGER TYPE-ADT AUTO PRICE-YES FROM-CAI TO-BUE CXR-AA TVL-20SEP17 RULE-A201 IPRSAA2/27 FARE BASIS-J1NFFMN5 NORMAL FARE DIS-N VENDOR-ATP FARE TYPE-BU OW-BUSINESS CLASS UNRESTRICTED EGP 25109.00 MPM E15AUG17 D-INFINITY FC-J1NFFMN5 FN- SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 14AUG17/1416 EXPIRES INFINITY PUBLISHED RTG CAI-BUE/AA EF-15AUG17 DIS-INDEF /VIA THE ATLANTIC/ MPM 9910 MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES BETWEEN ORIGIN AND DESTINATION MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES ORIGIN TO DESTINATION .
#78
Join Date: Oct 2013
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yup ... gone now
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Fare 1: Carrier AA J CAI to BUE (rules)
Passenger type ADT, one-way fare, booking code J
Covers CAI-LHR (Business), LGW-JFK (Business), JFK-EZE (Business)
$1,406.72
Fare 2: Carrier AA J BUE to CAI (rules)
Passenger type ADT, one-way fare, booking code J
Covers EZE-MIA (Business), MIA-LHR (Business), LHR-CAI (Business)
$1,406.72
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Fare 1: Carrier AA J CAI to BUE (rules)
Passenger type ADT, one-way fare, booking code J
Covers CAI-LHR (Business), LGW-JFK (Business), JFK-EZE (Business)
$1,406.72
Fare 2: Carrier AA J BUE to CAI (rules)
Passenger type ADT, one-way fare, booking code J
Covers EZE-MIA (Business), MIA-LHR (Business), LHR-CAI (Business)
$1,406.72
#79
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Wow. That was gone really quickly. I doubt it's a coincidence. I really thought this fare would be around for a while. Ah well.
Edit: And they added an MPM to boot! The rate desk definitely read this thread.
Edit: And they added an MPM to boot! The rate desk definitely read this thread.
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btw, If you are an Expert Flyer user you can check the historical fare rules, routing rules, and booking classes by running a Fare Information query with a historical date input in the Ticketing Date field. There you can see that the J1NFFMN5 fares were initially created on Feb. 16, 2017, effective Feb. 17, 2017. For those who purchase such tickets, it's probably always a good idea to save down the fare rules in effect when purchased, but in any case they remain available on Expert Flyer if/when needed.
#82
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I don't recall seeing an MPM on this fare when I read the rules on ITA. I didn't look it up on EF, though, so maybe I just missed it (and it was there all along).
#83
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This fare was MPM prior to refiling, just as it is now.
V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG
1X J J‡X 652.00 T14AU -/‡ -/ - AT01
PASSENGER TYPE-ADT AUTO PRICE-YES
FROM-CAI TO-BUE CXR-AA TVL-10OCT17 RULE-2250 IPRSAA2/27
FARE BASIS-J NORMAL FARE DIS-N VENDOR-ATP
FARE TYPE-BU OW-BUSINESS CLASS UNRESTRICTED
EGP 11630.00 MPM E04AUG17 D-INFINITY FC-J FN-
SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 03AUG17/1916 EXPIRES 14AUG17/1416
PUBLISHED RTG CAI-BUE/AA EF-04AUG17 DIS-14AUG17
/VIA THE ATLANTIC/ MPM 9910
MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES BETWEEN ORIGIN AND DESTINATION
MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES ORIGIN TO DESTINATION
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Rule CategoryRule TextRULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. BUSINESS CLASS AND EXECUTIVE CLASS APPLICATION AREA THESE FARES APPLY BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 2. CLASS OF SERVICE THESE FARES APPLY FOR BUSINESS CLASS SERVICE. TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION THIS RULE GOVERNS ONE-WAY AND ROUND-TRIP FARES. FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE ONE-WAY/ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS. CAPACITY LIMITATIONS THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS, WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIERS BEST JUDGEMENT.ELIGIBILITY NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.DAY/TIME NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.SEASONALITY NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.FLIGHT APPLICATION THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AB FLIGHT OPERATED BY JU. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB.ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING OPEN RETURNS NOT PERMITTED. WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE MADE AT LEAST 28 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE, TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 28 DAYS AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE. OR - RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR THE FIRST SECTOR. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. RESERVATIONS BOOKED 3 DAYS OR LESS PRIOR TO DEPARTURE MUST BE TICKETED WITHIN 24 HOURS. RESERVATIONS BOOKED 24 HOURS OR LESS PRIOR TO DEPARTURE MUST BE TICKETED WITHIN 3 HOURS.MINIMUM STAY NO MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.MAXIMUM STAY NO MAXIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.STOPOVERS UNLIMITED FREE STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT.TRANSFERS UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT. 1 PERMITTED BETWEEN AA AND VY IN BCN/ROM IN EACH DIRECTION NONE PERMITTED BETWEEN AA AND VY IN EACH DIRECTION IN AREA 1/AREA 2/AREA 3 IN EACH DIRECTION. FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.COMBINATIONS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS WITH ANY FARE FOR ANY CARRIER IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF TO FORM SINGLE/DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS. THE OPEN JAW MUST CONSIST OF NO MORE THAN 2 INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS AND THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE IN ONE COUNTRY. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ADJACENT LINE OF FLIGHT FARE COMPONENTS ONLY. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE POINT OF COMBINATION. END-ON-END NOTE - ADDONS PERMITTEDBLACKOUT DATES NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY.SURCHARGES IF INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2. OR - CONTRACT BULK INFANT PSGR UNDER 2. OR - MILITARY INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT UNDER 2. OR - NEGOTIATED INFANT PSGR UNDER 2. OR - INCLUSIVE TOUR INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2. THERE IS NO MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE PER COUPON PER ANY PASSENGER. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. SURCHARGES DO NOT APPLY TO INFANT PASSENGERS NOT OCCUPYING A SEAT. THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR US. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR BA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR IB. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR JL. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR AY. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR QF. THERE IS NO MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE PER COUPON PER ANY PASSENGER. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. YR FEE MAY APPLY ORIGINATING SOUTH AMERICA - IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL VIA LON. MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 700.00 PER COUPON WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER FOR DEPARTURE OF TRANSATLANTIC SECTORS. ORIGINATING SOUTH AMERICA - MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 500.00 PER COUPON WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER FOR DEPARTURE OF TRANSATLANTIC SECTORS. ORIGINATING MIDDLE EAST - IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL VIA LON. MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 500.00 PER COUPON WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER FOR DEPARTURE OF TRANSATLANTIC SECTORS. ORIGINATING MIDDLE EAST - MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 300.00 PER COUPON WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER FOR DEPARTURE OF TRANSATLANTIC SECTORS.ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS NO TRAVEL DATE RESTRICTIONS APPLY.SALES RESTRICTIONS TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED BY ELECTRONIC TICKETING. TICKETS MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA. TICKETS MAY ONLY BE SOLD IN AREA 1/AREA 2/AREA 3. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. THESE FARES MAY BE USED RETROACTIVELY.PENALTIES NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. EXCEPTION - 1. FOR ALL TICKETS SOLD IN ARGENTINA / VENEZUELA - ANY FULL OR PARTIAL REFUND MUST BE PROCESSED THROUGH AA REFUND DEPARTMENT OR AT THE ORIGINAL ISSUING LOCATION IN ARGENTINA / VENEZUELA 2. FOR TRAVEL AGENCY BOOKINGS MADE IN MEXICO THE CARIBBEAN / CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA - AA WILL ASSESS A USD 25.00 FEE ON ANY UNTICKETED RESERVATION NOT CANCELED BEFORE DEPARTUREHIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS NO HIP OR MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS APPLY.TICKET ENDORSEMENTS TICKET ENDORSEMENT NOT REQUIRED.CHILDREN DISCOUNTS CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER. OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER. OR - INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER. OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-14 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN 5 6 AND 7 YEARS OF AGE WILL ONLY BE TRANSPORTED OVER THE LINES OF AA NON-STOP OR THROUGH PLANE SERVICE.TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS NO DISCOUNTS FOR TOUR CONDUCTORS.AGENT DISCOUNTS NO DISCOUNTS FOR SALE AGENTS.ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA AND MAY ONLY BE SOLD BY CRS/CXR AGENT WITH DUTY CODE 00000004/ 00000005/00000007/00000008. FARES MAY ONLY BE SOLD BY AA AND MAY NOT BE SOLD BY TRAVEL AGENTS. OTS/PASSENGERS OCCUPYING TWO SEATS . ID REQUIRED - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - SEAT. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. APPLICATION--- FARES APPLY TO A PASSENGER PERMITTED THE EXCLUSIVE USE OF TWO ADJACENT SEATS. SRC/SENIOR CITIZEN PSGR 65 OR OLDER. ID REQUIRED - NO DISCOUNT. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. RULE 1810 - SENIOR CITIZEN DISCOUNT DOES NOT APPLYMISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. THESE FARES MAY BE USED TO CONSTRUCT FARES FOR DIFFERENTIAL CALCULATION.FARE BY RULE NOT APPLICABLE.GROUPS NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.TOURS NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.DEPOSITS NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.VOLUNTARY CHANGES IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY THOSE OF AA INTERNATIONAL FARES NO CHARGE CHARGE HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS AND REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FLIGHT COUPON 2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 3. AA/AY/BA/IB FARES ARE USED 4. AA ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT EOU/ERU ARE USED 5. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET 6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - REPRICE A. BEFORE JOURNEY DEPARTURE USE FARES IN EFFECT TODAY B. AFTER JOURNEY DEPARTURE USE HISTORICAL FARES BASED ON TRAVEL COMMENCEMENT PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. AA/AY/BA/IB FARES ARE USED 3. AA ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT EOU/ERU ARE USED 4. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE SUBTRACT RESIDUAL FROM THE PENALTY THEN ADD-COLLECT/REFUND ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS. OR - AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY THOSE OF AA INTERNATIONAL FARES NO CHARGE CHARGE HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS AND REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FLIGHT COUPON 2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 3. AA/AY/BA/IB FARES ARE USED 4. AA ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT EOU/ERU ARE USED 5. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET 6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE SUBTRACT RESIDUAL FROM THE PENALTY THEN ADD-COLLECT/REFUND ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS. .VOLUNTARY REFUNDS NO VOLUNTARY REFUNDS DATA FOUND.NEGOTIATED FARES NOT APPLICABLE.INTERNATIONAL CONSTRUCTION NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE .
Last edited by skunker; Aug 14, 2017 at 8:46 pm
#84
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Manhattan Beach, California
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Just to add to what Skunker says above, if a fare is an MPM fare but doesnt specify MPM at all then it will not be bookable. I was just messing with some dirt cheap fares today that have no MPM specified (but are MPM fares) and several TAs have tried and failed to get them ticketed.
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#88
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Can only be done where a fare allows end on end ticketing, which today is rare(r) outside of unrestricted or old forgotten fares.
Unbelievably primitive IT systems strike again, I guess this one can be to the benefit of the traveler though ;-)
btw, AA usually files a number of fares in these "families" and they did so here. CAI-MEX in F is still there, both as ow or rt, but it is probably too rich for many folks.
Last edited by stephem; Aug 17, 2017 at 9:55 pm