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Old Mar 17, 2015, 9:24 pm
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*Update 28/10/2015*
American Airlines has sent out a batch of emails offering customers two options. None of which earns miles and does not address DOT's old guidelines.

We have yet to here from DOT.

Here is a copy of the letter:

Thank you for your patience in our responding to your complaint regarding the cancellation of a reservation for travel to China which you placed on hold earlier this year.

The reservation you placed on hold was for an extremely low fare offered by American in error, and the mistaken fare was offered for only a few hours. Because the fare was offered in error, we cancelled those reservations, such as yours, that had been made but not ticketed.

In our view, given the fact that the fares American offered for China travel in those few hours were so low that it was obvious they were offered in error (a fact widely acknowledged in the social media posts which prompted many of those who reserved the fares to do so), we were justified in cancelling those reservations that were made but not ticketed, and accordingly will not honor the fare associated with your cancelled reservation. However, we will offer to you two options for reduced rate travel to China, one for business class and one for coach class. The two options are as follows:

Option A – Business Class: We offer you a $1,500 discount on any roundtrip business cabin fare to Shanghai or Beijing.
  • Reservation must be booked by AA and operated entirely by AA (including AA’s regional partners).
  • Travel may not be upgraded, by upgrade certificate, AAdvantage status, or any other means, to a higher class of service.
  • Travel will not be eligible to earn AAdvantage miles or Elite Qualifying Miles or points, and will not count as Elite Qualifying segments in the AAdvantage program.
  • Travel may be ticketed immediately and must be completed within one year of the date of this letter.
  • Travel to PEK or PVG should originate and end in the same U.S. airport(s) as in the original PNR with the same passenger(s) (or subset of passengers) traveling as were listed in the cancelled PNR.
  • Must be ticketed within six weeks of the date of this letter.

Option B – Main Cabin: We offer you the opportunity to receive a $0 fare basis main cabin fare to Shanghai or Beijing, subject to taxes and fees of approximately $450 (varies slightly by routing)..
  • Reservation must be booked by AA for any Q or O class fare to PEK or PVG, and operated entirely by AA (including AA’s regional partners).
  • Travel may not be upgraded, by upgrade certificate, AAdvantage status, or any other means, to a higher class of service.
  • Travel will not be eligible to earn AAdvantage miles or Elite Qualifying Miles or points, and will not count as Elite Qualifying segments in the AAdvantage program.
  • This offer is subject to Q or O class inventory availability for travel outbound starting November 15, 2015.
  • Travel must be completed within one year of the date of this letter.
  • Travel to PEK or PVG should originate and end in the same U.S. airport(s) as in the original PNR with the same passenger(s) (or subset of passengers) traveling as were listed in the cancelled PNR.
  • Must be ticketed within six weeks of the date of this letter.

If you would like to accept one of these offers, please contact American Airlines at the following number to make your flight reservation.



When and where are you traveling? - edit below

March
27-March-2015 -- 30-March-2015 (NYC)-DCA-ORD-PEK heatheresq FIRST (apparently)!
30-March-2015 -- 02-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK transparent
31-March-2015 -- 03-April-2015 ICN-PEK-ORD-DFW timid_trnchcoat, Y only


April
01-April-2015 -- 05-April-2015 DCA-BOS-ORD-PEK-HKG-DFW-DCA thegrailer
02-April-2015 -- 07-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK Soddon
03-April-2015 -- 07-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK jetsarefast2
03-April-2015 -- 10-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK fly2nrt
04-April-2015 -- 07-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK cocobird
07-April-2015 -- 10-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK/PEK-ORD-DCA DiscoverCSG
07-April-2015 -- 16-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK learingtofly2015

08-April-2015 -- 12-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK IWontRegretThis
09-April-2015 -- 13-April-2015 IAD-DFW-PVG/PVG-LAX-IAD Tblack15 Confirmed 2x EQPs; had no elite status
10-April-2015 -- 13-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK andrewwm

11-April-2015 -- 19-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK thyeri
13-April-2015 -- 16-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK bchips
13-April-2015 -- 16-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK cbuckhouse
Confirmed 2x EQPs; had Platinum status

14-April-2015 -- 22-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA fijaircan
15-April-2015 -- 21-April-2015 IAD-DFW-... elliottishere
16-April-2015 -- 21-April-2015 ...-DFW-PVG elliottishere
22-April-2015 -- 27-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEKChucksterace
22-April-2015 -- 01-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEKtn8
26-April-2015 -- 29-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA MarkP24
26-April-2015 -- 29-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA FriendlySkies
26-April-2015 -- 01-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA miffsc
26-April-2015 -- 01-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA travelsavant
26-April-2015 -- 03-May-2015 IAD-DFW-ORD-PEK-ORD-MIA-IAD Fredd and Mrs. Fredd
27-April-2015 -- 01-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA MsSTL
27-April-2015 -- 01-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCAlakers6902
27-April-2015 -- 05-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK smikih
27-April-2015 -- 06-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA the_happiness_store
29-April-2015 -- 09-May-2015 IAD-DFW-ORD-PEK-DFW-IAD Brituchenite



May
01-May-2015 -- 14-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PVG-ORD-DCA Novemurr+2
06-May-2015 -- 10-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK edbyu +1
07-May-2015 -- 10-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PVG iadp
08-May-2015 -- 11-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK Golfingboy washeelers747 +2
08-May-2015 -- 11-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-DFW-IAD a330300
08-May-2015 -- 12-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA smoneyxc
08-May-2015 -- 12-May-2015 IAD-DFW-... eap
09-May-2015 -- 12-May-2015 ...-DFW-PEK-DFW-IAD eap
09-May-2015 -- 13-May-2015 ...DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA Bonaventure
10-May-2015 -- 16-May-2015 IAD-DFW-PEK Kidorki
11-May-2015 -- 14-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK medichill
12-May-2015 -- 19-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK party_boy
12-May-2015 -- 23-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA rexid
13-May-2015 -- 24-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-DFW-DCA hoosiereph+3
13-May-2015 -- 20-May-2015 IAD-DFW-... travisair
13-May-2015 -- 16-May-2015 IAD-ORD-PEK Long Train Runnin
14-May-2015 -- 17 May-2015 IAD-DFW-PEK Bigguyinpasadena
14-May-2015 -- 20-May-2015 ...-DFW-PEK travisair
14-May-2015 -- 17-May-2015 IAD-DFW-PEK roastpuff
14-May-2015 -- 17-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK Robert
14-May-2015 -- 18-May-2018 DCA-DFW-PEK Cachris69
14-May-2015 -- 17-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PVG iadp
14-May-2015 -- 26-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA AJollyLife (Birthday on the 23rd! )
15-May-2015 -- 18-May-2015 DCA-DFW-HKG-PEK-HKG-DFW-DCA Bonaventure
15-May-2015 -- 18-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK alexj7
15-May-2015 -- 18-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK andrewwm
15-May-2015 -- 18-May-2105 DCA-ORD-PEK-DFW Madone59
16-May-2015 -- 21-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA davidyyz
16-May-2015 -- 19-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK schwimmair
16-May-2015 -- 24-May 2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-DFW-DCA keepssmile
17-May-2015 -- 21-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK tzvilev
17-May-2015 -- 23-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA tommya
17-May-2015 -- 27-May-2015 IAD-DFW-PEK-DFW-IAD krazieman
18-May-2015 -- 21-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA ben1979
18-May-2015 -- 21-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA DS
18-May-2015 -- 22-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA miffsc
19-May-2015 -- 22-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA Bonaventure
19-May-2015 -- 30-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-DFW-DCA transparent
20-May-2015 -- 26-May-2015 IAD-DFW-... elliottishere
20-May-2015 -- 24-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK thepla
20-May-2015 -- 28-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK cvg-aa
21-May-2015 -- 26-May-2015 ...-DFW-PVG elliottishere
21-May-2015 -- 24-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK/PEK-ORD-DCA awaite01
21-May-2015 -- 24-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK/PEK-ORD-DCA smitty06 and shynate
21-May-2015 -- 01-Jun-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA Tobypie
22-May-2015 -- 25-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK tsz
22-May-2015 -- 25-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PVG PaceLaw2012
22-May-2015 -- 25-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK alexj7
22-May-2015 -- 25-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK onfo
22-May-2015 -- 27-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD ghzhammer
23-May-2015 -- 26-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK jetsarefast2
23-May-2015 -- 31-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA bqkali
23-May-2015 -- 31-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA blootch
23-May-2015 -- 31-May-2015 IAD-DFW-PEK-DFW-IAD FlyingChuck
24-May-2015 -- 27-May-2015 IAD-DFW-PEK northshorepa
24-May-2015 -- 27-May-2018 DCA-DFW-PEK Cachris69 +1
24-May-2015 -- 28-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK Bikeguy+1
24-May-2015 -- 28-May-2015 DCA-DFW-... Server
25-May-2015 -- 28-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ICN-DFW-DCA Bonaventure
25-May-2015 -- 28-May-2015 ...-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA Server
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25-May-2015 -- 28-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-DFW-IAD bartmas777
26-May-2015 -- 29-May-2015 CMH-DCA-ORD-PEK paramenace
27-May-2015 -- 01-Jun-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-DFW-DCA platinumTA
28-May-2015 -- 01-Jun-2015 IAD-DFW-PEK anchor79
28-May-2015 -- 01-Jun-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA flying for gold elite
28-May-2015 -- 01-Jun-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-DFW-DCA cfegeley
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Old Mar 20, 2015, 4:55 pm
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Originally Posted by sbrower
The lesson is simple. If you want to assert rules which depend on "full payment being made" you should find a method to make full payment.
The rule which says AA has to either provide a 24-hour free cancel -or- provide a free 24-hold 'at the quoted price' does not depend on payment being made. No one is complaining that AA raised the price on the hold (which is where the full payment language comes into play), they are complaining that the holds were canceled prior to 24 hours.

What really shocks me is that the AA employees on the phone who basically have the concept that the 'hold' is NOT a guarantee, just a convenience. I'm betting that _is_ actually the way the hold is implemented, which is extremely bad on the part of AA.

For example, what if you try to put a hold on a fare that is expiring in 12 hours? Does AA allow you to hold that price for 24 hours? The old system of holds did not allow you to hold such a fare for 24 hours, and I'm wondering if AA have actually changed anything since the DOT regs went into effect.

Originally Posted by sbrower
Which is why I said "real" fares, not mistake fares. I agree that AA isn't trying to do ANY favors for mistake fares. And the DOT isn't trying to do ANY favors for mistake fares, even though they may sometimes benefit mistake fares. The purpose of the rules (which AA EXCEEDS with its hold) is to benefit REAL fares.
Agreed. If I was trying to get DOT to force AA to honor the hold, I would be building a series of test cases (like the one I mentioned above) for DOT submission along with my complaint of the WAS-PEK fare hold being canceled. The most likely way this will be enforced is if DOT thinks AA has skirted the 24-hour hold on numerous fronts, and it is quite possible they have.

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Old Mar 20, 2015, 4:58 pm
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A unique question (I hope...I've searched here and the blogs):

Can we use those promised 2 Chairman’s SWUs on AA metal? I qualified this year after doing the challenge. Do I have two in my account? If so, can I see them and how would I use them to go from J to F on these flights? I just flew this bird ORD-PVG in J last month. Good, but I would really love that lie flat instead for the quick turnaround.
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Old Mar 20, 2015, 5:04 pm
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Originally Posted by heatheresq
Can we use those promised 2 Chairman’s SWUs on AA metal?
No, they are only valid on US metal with US flight numbers.
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Old Mar 20, 2015, 5:13 pm
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Originally Posted by janetdoe
The rule which says AA has to either provide a 24-hour free cancel -or- provide a free 24-hold 'at the quoted price' does not depend on payment being made. No one is complaining that AA raised the price on the hold (which is where the full payment language comes into play), they are complaining that the holds were canceled prior to 24 hours.
On one of my 2 holds, I called to have the ticket isuued first thing in the morning. The AAgent would not issue it as booked and kept coming up wiht reasons. In the end she repriced it to $5300 and told me that is what I could buy. Take it or leave it.
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Old Mar 20, 2015, 6:48 pm
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Originally Posted by cbuckhouse
April 13 DCA-ORD-PEK April 16 PEK-ORD-DCA
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Old Mar 20, 2015, 6:59 pm
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Originally Posted by janetdoe
Agreed. If I was trying to get DOT to force AA to honor the hold, I would be building a series of test cases (like the one I mentioned above) for DOT submission along with my complaint of the WAS-PEK fare hold being canceled. The most likely way this will be enforced is if DOT thinks AA has skirted the 24-hour hold on numerous fronts, and it is quite possible they have.
I'm not sure that evidence of a pattern necessarily matters in this case. All of the customer-facing language (including the hold T&Cs) say that held fares are guaranteed for the next 24 hours (or, in practice, until the end of the following day). There's no language that lists specific exclusions; in fact, there don't appear to be exclusions at all.

It seems like American cancelled these holds because it was convenient for them, not because the T&Cs actually allow it. They've said that their interpretation of the hold policy doesn't apply to mistake fares, but there doesn't seem to be any language that actually backs this up.

I'm eagerly awaiting the DOT's thoughts on this.

EDIT: When I called American to speak about one of my holds, the supervisor said something along the lines of "holding a fare doesn't actually guarantee it in the system" (perhaps not those exact words, but something to that effect). It got me thinking about the validity of a hold ... perhaps us FFs are putting too much stock/trust in American?

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Old Mar 20, 2015, 7:48 pm
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I find it quite interesting that this "incident" has attracted no media attention, even though: 1) people are actually getting to fly to China in business class for very little money; and 2) there's a very interesting dispute over whether AA's "24 hour fare guarantee" is a guarantee of anything.

Is there mistake fare "media fatigue"? Or is it just random that no reporter happened to be paying attention?
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Old Mar 20, 2015, 7:56 pm
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Does anybody have any sort of idea when the DOT will have a ruling on the whole held fares issue? OR when AA will decide to speak more on the issue?

As I was re-reading my canned response from the DOT... I began to wonder if AA will take 59 days [of the required 60 days] to respond to everybody's complaints... thus being past most people's held trip dates... is that even a scenario here or will DOT try to push this along faster than that?
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Old Mar 20, 2015, 8:46 pm
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Originally Posted by lakersown81
Does anybody have any sort of idea when the DOT will have a ruling on the whole held fares issue? OR when AA will decide to speak more on the issue?

As I was re-reading my canned response from the DOT... I began to wonder if AA will take 59 days [of the required 60 days] to respond to everybody's complaints... thus being past most people's held trip dates... is that even a scenario here or will DOT try to push this along faster than that?
Sure. AA could run the clock on this long enough to ruin plans. I know I can't use the ticket after a certain date due to my scheduled vacation.

This fits in with my view that Legal etc. decided it was expedient to honor the paid tickets and then take their chances with the DOT on the held tickets.
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Old Mar 20, 2015, 8:49 pm
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Originally Posted by iahphx
I find it quite interesting that this "incident" has attracted no media attention, even though: 1) people are actually getting to fly to China in business class for very little money; and 2) there's a very interesting dispute over whether AA's "24 hour fare guarantee" is a guarantee of anything.

Is there mistake fare "media fatigue"? Or is it just random that no reporter happened to be paying attention?
Yeah isn't it weird the Etihad JFK-Abu Dhabi was widely discussed in media. Facebook pics of my friends' excursions are trickling in
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Old Mar 20, 2015, 9:03 pm
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Originally Posted by lakersown81
Does anybody have any sort of idea when the DOT will have a ruling on the whole held fares issue? OR when AA will decide to speak more on the issue?

As I was re-reading my canned response from the DOT... I began to wonder if AA will take 59 days [of the required 60 days] to respond to everybody's complaints... thus being past most people's held trip dates... is that even a scenario here or will DOT try to push this along faster than that?
There was something similar to this that happened a few years ago. I remember reading about it on Dans Deals forum. Basically, mistake tickets got cancelled that shouldn't have. In the end, people had their tickets reinstated. If the dates were already passed, the people got to pick new dates. Speed of DOT won't determine whether you go or not.

Would be preferable to actually pick dates when it isn't 10PM and you know the mistake will be pulled in like 15 minutes or 30 tops.

The longer DOT takes, the more flexibility it buys people with held tickets, if they rule in favor of the people with holds, IMHO.

Can anyone remember the exact details of what I'm talking about?
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Old Mar 20, 2015, 9:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Bikeguy
There was something similar to this that happened a few years ago. I remember reading about it on Dans Deals forum. Basically, mistake tickets got cancelled that shouldn't have. In the end, people had their tickets reinstated. If the dates were already passed, the people got to pick new dates. Speed of DOT won't determine whether you go or not.

Would be preferable to actually pick dates when it isn't 10PM and you know the mistake will be pulled in like 15 minutes or 30 tops.

The longer DOT takes, the more flexibility it buys people with held tickets, if they rule in favor of the people with holds, IMHO.

Can anyone remember the exact details of what I'm talking about?
There was an issue with the Delta Boxing Day sale, several tickets got held up in Pending status at various OTAs, people were able to get them reinstated after the travel dates.
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Old Mar 20, 2015, 9:11 pm
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Originally Posted by schwimmair
Any issues with applying a SWU? I don't think there would be just want to make sure.
Originally Posted by JonNYC
Should be zero problem at this juncture.
CSR had to call rate desk to reissue my $20 tickets, which took a few minutes. Other than that, a pretty uneventful upgrade.
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Old Mar 20, 2015, 10:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Bikeguy
Would be preferable to actually pick dates when it isn't 10PM and you know the mistake will be pulled in like 15 minutes or 30 tops.

The longer DOT takes, the more flexibility it buys people with held tickets, if they rule in favor of the people with holds, IMHO.
Would definitely be preferable. AA starts flying the 788 on DFW-PEK on 04JUN, after all
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Old Mar 20, 2015, 10:34 pm
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Everyone keeps on talking about reinstating tickets but the DOT can't force AA to reinstate anything.

Seems to me there are two issues at play here. First - did AA violate the repricing after purchase regulations by canceling held itineraries? The answer to this questions seems to be NO since that regulation requires for the itinerary to actually be paid for and ticketed.

The second issue is whether AA violated the 24-hour refund (or hold) provision. IMO that where the fight is going to be. However that said, even if the DOT finds that AA violated this policy the consequences would seem to call for a fine. What this fine would be remains to be seen - DOT make take sympathy on this issue since it relates to an error fare and DOT has not looked too kindly on those of late. If AA thinks they are just going to be hit with a nominal fine, why not take it and move on?

As stated in the DOT letters throughout this thread:

If my review of your complaint and the response from the company discloses a potential violation of our rules, our office may pursue enforcement action. Generally, our office pursues enforcement action on the basis of a number of complaints which may indicate a pattern or practice of violating our rules. Your complaint may be among those considered and may lead to appropriate enforcement action including the assessment of civil penalties. However, our office has no authority to order compensation for individual complainants.
(Bolding mine)

Based on the actions taken so far by AA, I would say the likelihood of tickets being reinstated to be low, even if DOT finds a violation occurred.
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