HAMFRA

Yes, I was unaware of that.
But I still can't imagine they will deny boarding to soooo many passengers.
The majority seems to have SQ legs and/or SQ issued tickets.
If they do so you should grab a chair, sit down right in front of the SQ counter and watch the show for the next 9 months

Wozza2404

I just want to chime in here and give a few answers, as there to be quite a few people on here who are new to these fares this time around.

1) These fares are being flown every day. In fact, on some flights at the minute there can be half a dozen FTers in the KE F cabin on the same flight as so many tickets from round 1 and 2 were purchased.

2) The staff at RGN are aware of these tickets. They will not be surprised when you present yourself for boarding.

3) You can transit in RGN, provided you're flying AAA-RGN-CCC (please note that AAA-RGN-AAA is NOT a transit and you may well be denied boarding without a visa.
Despite the fact you CAN transit, it doesn't mean you should. RGN is not set up for transit, and it involves human intervention, which is what you want to avoid wherever possible on these fares. Getting a visa is pretty simple and you should get one to avoid all doubt. Visa on arrival is currently only available for business travellers. You can use a visa company (like Myanmar Visa), who will meet you off your inbound flight, but you may have an issue convincing whichever carrier is taking you to RGN to let you on without a proper visa. If you are doing multiple RGN flights in a tight timeframe, however, this option is the best one.
The visa situation is changing daily, so just because this is correct today doesn't mean it will be correct next week.

4) Most of the airlines in round 3 are the same as those in rounds 1 and 2, so almost all will have seen these tickets before. SQ may be the exception, but as I don't think any tickets are on SQ stock, they shouldn't be too bothered about it as they will still be getting paid from whichever airline's stock the ticket is on.

5) You will not be able to change these tickets before you travel. There have been cases where a dumb agent has been convinced to make a change, but generally you're going to be told (correctly) that any changes (including adding stopovers) will trigger a reprice of the fare. Ordinarily this will not change the fare on a fully flex F ticket, as it's already a full price ticket, but with these fares the recalculation will be done at the current fare and not the historical fare (there's a grey area here, but this is why the airlines are doing and you won't change that) so you'll be presented with a fare difference of $10k+.
Once you have flown the first leg of the fare, the rules apply without a reprice. Adding stopover and changing flights should be possible, but, as always with these fares, don't bank on it. People have reported success changing these fares once they have flown out of RGN but people have also reporting coming up against militant agents who simply refuse. One FTer reported being told "you're flying RTW for the cost of a bus ticket, don't call us again" before being hung up on.

6) Airlines are scared of DOT enforcement. The best example of this is from round 1 where KE cancelled all fares which involved travel in their F suites. People made DOT complaints and within a week the OTAs were contacting pax to ask if they'd like the fare reinstating at the original price paid. KE would rather have their F suites half full of FTers for the best part of a year than pay DOT fines.
Based on KE's history with mistake fares and cancelling them even up to a week before travel with nothing more than a "go eff yourself", this is a significant step. Other airlines have taken a similar stance; DL, who also have a less than savoury history with fares like these, didn't cancel a single ticket on their stock even in round one. Such is their fear of the DOT fines.

7) EU compensation laws are largely irrelevant. Even if you were entitled to 600€ if denied boarding, you'd struggle to get yourself home with that money. That said, your odds of being denied boarding once you have flown the first segment are remote, and it hasn't happened (AFAIK) to any of the FTers flying round 1 and 2 fares.

8) Even fares which do not touch the US are being flown. RGN-JNB via various routes were available, and has been flown hundreds of times. This doesn't mean that all non-US fares will be honoured, just that there is a precedent for them being flown.

As someone who has flown one of the round 1 fares, and now has 4 more upcoming trips, I feel that I know enough about this to comment. I've also followed the original thread about round 1 and 2 fares from post #1, so a lot of these questions have been answered there.
Hopefully this will clear up a lot of the questions being asked by those who are new to these fares.

EDIT: These are, mostly, fully flex F fares. They are therefore fully refundable. Any problems with your OTA just ask them to look at the fare code. They CAN, however, charge you their own cancellation fees, which can vary from anywhere between �0 and �200, depending on the OTA. This will be in their T&Cs.

maxcalls

Just asking if the tickets booked from TL are fully refundable after 24 hours of booking or not ?
Cause TL said its non refundable in the itinerary, but is booked in F bucket.
If incase want to cancel later , will I receive a full refund ?

Wozza2404

Edited my post above to answer that Q.

TGflyergirl

Just as a data point: I do have one on SQ 618 stock.

HAMFRA

No, that's the point here. There ARE tickets on SQ stock.
SQ will have to fly me in suites for free and pay CA,MU and LX...
We'll see how that plays out.

anaidross

Actually, I plan to ditch the leg from ZRH to YUL since I am located in Europe. I think this should not be a problem.

Nelumbo

Thank you very much Wozza2404 for great explanation for newbies like myself.
I booked two of RGN-KUL-SIN-LHR-YUL with SQ Suite (and caviar) for my fiancee and me.
The tickets are on SQ stock.
We got engaged in SQ F earlier, and I hope she will enjoy this upcoming suite ride.

Wozza2404

Regardless, I don't see SQ cancelling. If KE honoured the fares with their history, I can't see SQ doing anything different. If they do, it will be in the next 48 hours or so, and I imagine they'd be reinstated within a week or so after DOT intervention.

It's also worth mentioning that I think there a lot more tickets on IB, MH, etc. stock which include travel on SQ than on SQ stock. I reckon SQ may actually benefit.

nas6034

How much are people paying ex-us to position for these ex-rgn flights? Secondly, i think dot intervention is only if a piece of your itinerary touches the usa. I don't think the majority does so they can probably tell you to go screw yourself. Plus I doubt SIN govt cares as SQ is state-owned.

runfit

Thanks, Wozza! Anyone else in this situation - ticketed by UL through tl.com and have all my confirmation numbers and ticket numbers, but tl still does not even have a pending charge on my card. It is just the $10.99 tl fee.

waver99

hmmm...

Spiff

FF award to SIN, BKK, ...

belfordrocks

I don't really get this bit. If the folks there are already well aware then what is wrong with a transit visa on arrival? Also the Myanmar Embassy here in Canberra already told me that on arrival visas are available for transit as well- not just business. Not too sure if that's true though.

Coathanger

Mine also ticketed on SQ 618 stock. Booked on travelocity.com with the following routing:

RGN-KUL MH J
KUL-SIN MH J
SIN-LHR SQ F
LHR-YUL BA J

No US sector so won't be protected by DOT but at US$533 it was worth a go.