Chicago Relocation - Neighborhood Advice Please
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The neighborhood I was thinking of is Archer Heights. There are several other options also west of Western. Another advantage of the Southwest Side is proximity to Midway airport.
I would estimate that the 55/ Garfield bus takes about 30 minutes from Archer Heights to Hyde Park.
I would estimate that the 55/ Garfield bus takes about 30 minutes from Archer Heights to Hyde Park.
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Originally Posted by fastflyer
The neighborhood I was thinking of is Archer Heights. There are several other options also west of Western. Another advantage of the Southwest Side is proximity to Midway airport.
I would estimate that the 55/ Garfield bus takes about 30 minutes from Archer Heights to Hyde Park.
I would estimate that the 55/ Garfield bus takes about 30 minutes from Archer Heights to Hyde Park.
Takes almost an hour IIRC, with many many stops over a very bumpy road, through some unappetizing neighborhoods.
It is a cheap way to get to HP from MDW. Taxis are maybe $15-18 (it's been a while for me).
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Originally Posted by toomanybooks
This is true, but there are delays sometimes.
I much prefer trains for the smoother ride, but the bus is available.
I much prefer trains for the smoother ride, but the bus is available.
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Originally Posted by IceTrojan
I recommend the Cabrini-Green area.
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Originally Posted by bdesmond
It's actually a great palce ot make a real estate investment in terms of the townhosues in the "mixed income" area as the city calls it. Most of the projects are gone and the neighborhood has improved significantly. I've spent my share of time at most of the schools in that area and seen it change the past few years.
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Hey, books, I resemble(d) those hunched-over undergrads!
Caveat: my own tastes may lean more towards the gritty and urban than yours. Always, always tour around any neighborhood you're looking to move to before committing; besides, it's a great way to find "For Rent" signs.
I'd third Bridgeport, if you can't afford Kenwood. The Red Line to #55 bus (or maybe the 35th St. bus to Cottage Grove bus) works better for the Hospitals employee, since they're are a good mile west of the Metra Electric and #6. It's largely single family and inexpensive, there's old-fashioned retail (e.g., diners, not Starbux), it's safe, and it's got a dynamic ethnic mix with Chinese grocers, Mexican ice cream carts, etc. If you do have young kids, Perspectives Charter and National Teachers Academy recently opened for K-8, ~1 mile north of Bridgeport. One issue: you won't find much Bridgeport housing in the usual venues, since places often go by word of mouth or in very local newspapers. And if Midway access matters, it's just off the Orange Line.
(Bridgeport has gentrified enough to merit a NY Times mention; it's a "new" option since the time when I was a trudging undergrad. I recently noted to a friend of mine who lives in Hyde Park that it must be quite strange to have the city's avant-garde art scene three miles, not thirteen miles, from the university!)
Kenwood has huge and beautiful old houses, but I doubt much is available for rent and the retail's a bit remote. North of Kenwood is Bronzeville, which is gentrifying spectacularly quickly but has almost no retail.
Pullman's a quick commute from Hyde Park and it's cheap, with gorgeous houses, but there's nothing to do once you're there.
If you're the sort who's good about being on time, take a look at this:
http://www.uchospitals.edu/pdf/uch_003496.pdf
CTA runs a rush-hour express bus between the downtown commuter-rail stations and the hospital complex. That theoretically opens up the west/northwest/north suburbs, like Oak Park (and neighbors Berwyn, Forest Park, and River Forest) or some of the north/northwest side neighborhoods along the commuter rails, like Ravenswood (North Center), Old Irving, and Mayfair (Jefferson Park). The north/northwest 'burbs are probably both too far and too expensive, and I suspect the same is true of Ravenswood.
One inherent tension among your criteria: most areas with shops and restaurants within walking distance (1/4-1/2 mi.) don't have cheap single-family houses. Maybe it's because those shops become a desirable amenity that drive up housing prices; or maybe shops need lots of shoppers and thus higher density, but regardless, it's an unlikely combination.
Caveat: my own tastes may lean more towards the gritty and urban than yours. Always, always tour around any neighborhood you're looking to move to before committing; besides, it's a great way to find "For Rent" signs.
I'd third Bridgeport, if you can't afford Kenwood. The Red Line to #55 bus (or maybe the 35th St. bus to Cottage Grove bus) works better for the Hospitals employee, since they're are a good mile west of the Metra Electric and #6. It's largely single family and inexpensive, there's old-fashioned retail (e.g., diners, not Starbux), it's safe, and it's got a dynamic ethnic mix with Chinese grocers, Mexican ice cream carts, etc. If you do have young kids, Perspectives Charter and National Teachers Academy recently opened for K-8, ~1 mile north of Bridgeport. One issue: you won't find much Bridgeport housing in the usual venues, since places often go by word of mouth or in very local newspapers. And if Midway access matters, it's just off the Orange Line.
(Bridgeport has gentrified enough to merit a NY Times mention; it's a "new" option since the time when I was a trudging undergrad. I recently noted to a friend of mine who lives in Hyde Park that it must be quite strange to have the city's avant-garde art scene three miles, not thirteen miles, from the university!)
Kenwood has huge and beautiful old houses, but I doubt much is available for rent and the retail's a bit remote. North of Kenwood is Bronzeville, which is gentrifying spectacularly quickly but has almost no retail.
Pullman's a quick commute from Hyde Park and it's cheap, with gorgeous houses, but there's nothing to do once you're there.
If you're the sort who's good about being on time, take a look at this:
http://www.uchospitals.edu/pdf/uch_003496.pdf
CTA runs a rush-hour express bus between the downtown commuter-rail stations and the hospital complex. That theoretically opens up the west/northwest/north suburbs, like Oak Park (and neighbors Berwyn, Forest Park, and River Forest) or some of the north/northwest side neighborhoods along the commuter rails, like Ravenswood (North Center), Old Irving, and Mayfair (Jefferson Park). The north/northwest 'burbs are probably both too far and too expensive, and I suspect the same is true of Ravenswood.
One inherent tension among your criteria: most areas with shops and restaurants within walking distance (1/4-1/2 mi.) don't have cheap single-family houses. Maybe it's because those shops become a desirable amenity that drive up housing prices; or maybe shops need lots of shoppers and thus higher density, but regardless, it's an unlikely combination.
Last edited by paytonc; Jul 5, 2006 at 1:43 am
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U of C Students
I was visiting the U of C two years ago in July, and was reminded again of the level of studiousness there, assuming that (more tan) = (less studying), and vice versa--even in sunny mid-July (prime grad student time), I was hard-pressed to see more than a couple students with any visible signs of exposure to the sun. Good news--perhaps a future low incidence of skin cancer among U of C grad students!
There was a story around that time in one of the papers about the remarkable changes in Bronzeville--particularly older houses on one of the boulevards being renovated. I regret I don't recall the name of the street, though.
Good news about Bridgeport, too--perhaps Chicago's legendary neighborhood segregation (not to mention firebombings, closed housing markets, etc.), with enough time and neighborhood change, will become a thing of the past. I agree with toomanybooks' earlier comment, that one can find a sort of...evangelical cosmopolitanism in some of the places mentioned earlier, such as Hyde Park and Oak Park. Perhaps this is because in the context of Chicago, a decision to live somewhere like Hyde Park had meaning and could contrast starkly with a decision to live in other neighborhoods, as it could be understood that the person had a different view on race and class relations, for example. As new people who don't have those historical memories move into neighborhoods, and as time passes and memories fade, perhaps we can hope to see a continued loosening of these meanings within all of the city's neighborhoods.
-Hayden
There was a story around that time in one of the papers about the remarkable changes in Bronzeville--particularly older houses on one of the boulevards being renovated. I regret I don't recall the name of the street, though.
Good news about Bridgeport, too--perhaps Chicago's legendary neighborhood segregation (not to mention firebombings, closed housing markets, etc.), with enough time and neighborhood change, will become a thing of the past. I agree with toomanybooks' earlier comment, that one can find a sort of...evangelical cosmopolitanism in some of the places mentioned earlier, such as Hyde Park and Oak Park. Perhaps this is because in the context of Chicago, a decision to live somewhere like Hyde Park had meaning and could contrast starkly with a decision to live in other neighborhoods, as it could be understood that the person had a different view on race and class relations, for example. As new people who don't have those historical memories move into neighborhoods, and as time passes and memories fade, perhaps we can hope to see a continued loosening of these meanings within all of the city's neighborhoods.
-Hayden
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Many Thanks!
Many, many thanks to all of you on your wonderful recommendations. We've pretty much made the decision to leave CA, the timing just pending an interview I'm hoping to score with a firm based in Chicago that I'm crossing my fingers would include paid relocation. Next weekend we'll drive about and check out the areas you've all mentioned thus far.
One other question: anyone have any recommendations on rental agents? Or, is it best in Chicago to go on one's own (via Craigslist, etc.)? It's been many, many years since I've had to look for new digs, so I'm not sure what's the best way to go about it these days.
One other question: anyone have any recommendations on rental agents? Or, is it best in Chicago to go on one's own (via Craigslist, etc.)? It's been many, many years since I've had to look for new digs, so I'm not sure what's the best way to go about it these days.
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Originally Posted by Amazonia
Many, many thanks to all of you on your wonderful recommendations. We've pretty much made the decision to leave CA, the timing just pending an interview I'm hoping to score with a firm based in Chicago that I'm crossing my fingers would include paid relocation. Next weekend we'll drive about and check out the areas you've all mentioned thus far.
One other question: anyone have any recommendations on rental agents? Or, is it best in Chicago to go on one's own (via Craigslist, etc.)? It's been many, many years since I've had to look for new digs, so I'm not sure what's the best way to go about it these days.
One other question: anyone have any recommendations on rental agents? Or, is it best in Chicago to go on one's own (via Craigslist, etc.)? It's been many, many years since I've had to look for new digs, so I'm not sure what's the best way to go about it these days.
cybermud
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Originally Posted by Amazonia
One other question: anyone have any recommendations on rental agents?
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Originally Posted by Amazonia
Many, many thanks to all of you on your wonderful recommendations. We've pretty much made the decision to leave CA, the timing just pending an interview I'm hoping to score with a firm based in Chicago that I'm crossing my fingers would include paid relocation. Next weekend we'll drive about and check out the areas you've all mentioned thus far.
One other question: anyone have any recommendations on rental agents? Or, is it best in Chicago to go on one's own (via Craigslist, etc.)? It's been many, many years since I've had to look for new digs, so I'm not sure what's the best way to go about it these days.
One other question: anyone have any recommendations on rental agents? Or, is it best in Chicago to go on one's own (via Craigslist, etc.)? It's been many, many years since I've had to look for new digs, so I'm not sure what's the best way to go about it these days.