prostitutes in Dubai, how do they do it?
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prostitutes in Dubai, how do they do it?
One night my friend and I decided to go out for a night in Dubai. We were just walking the streets by some clubs and we saw a group of ten or more African women that were clearly trying to sell themselves to us (this was near a Hilton)-
I am positive they were prostitutes, so I ask, how is this possible considering how strict the UAE can be on unmarried tourists sharing hotel rooms??
What penalties do these women face- as the risk-reward doesn't seem worth it
I am positive they were prostitutes, so I ask, how is this possible considering how strict the UAE can be on unmarried tourists sharing hotel rooms??
What penalties do these women face- as the risk-reward doesn't seem worth it
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One night my friend and I decided to go out for a night in Dubai. We were just walking the streets by some clubs and we saw a group of ten or more African women that were clearly trying to sell themselves to us (this was near a Hilton)-
I am positive they were prostitutes, so I ask, how is this possible considering how strict the UAE can be on unmarried tourists sharing hotel rooms??
What penalties do these women face- as the risk-reward doesn't seem worth it
I am positive they were prostitutes, so I ask, how is this possible considering how strict the UAE can be on unmarried tourists sharing hotel rooms??
What penalties do these women face- as the risk-reward doesn't seem worth it
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One night my friend and I decided to go out for a night in Dubai. We were just walking the streets by some clubs and we saw a group of ten or more African women that were clearly trying to sell themselves to us (this was near a Hilton)-
I am positive they were prostitutes, so I ask, how is this possible considering how strict the UAE can be on unmarried tourists sharing hotel rooms??
What penalties do these women face- as the risk-reward doesn't seem worth it
I am positive they were prostitutes, so I ask, how is this possible considering how strict the UAE can be on unmarried tourists sharing hotel rooms??
What penalties do these women face- as the risk-reward doesn't seem worth it
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One night my friend and I decided to go out for a night in Dubai. We were just walking the streets by some clubs and we saw a group of ten or more African women that were clearly trying to sell themselves to us (this was near a Hilton)-
I am positive they were prostitutes, so I ask, how is this possible considering how strict the UAE can be on unmarried tourists sharing hotel rooms??
What penalties do these women face- as the risk-reward doesn't seem worth it
I am positive they were prostitutes, so I ask, how is this possible considering how strict the UAE can be on unmarried tourists sharing hotel rooms??
What penalties do these women face- as the risk-reward doesn't seem worth it
You don't turn yourself into a tourism hotspot without sacrificing some of the straight lace..
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From time to time the authorities might deport some of the ladies for form's sake.
Otherwise they know which way their bread is buttered and that were it not for the ladies they would lose out on a significant share of travel and tourism revenue.
Otherwise they know which way their bread is buttered and that were it not for the ladies they would lose out on a significant share of travel and tourism revenue.
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The hotel owners want the revenue and don't want to lose customers -- including the prostitutes, many of whom are paying a discounted rate but still paying for room and F&B, often with a roommate to keep costs down amongst other things.
So as long as the police aren't called in to resolve a disturbance involving a prostitute at a hotel, the police don't enforce the law because their bosses' bosses have social and business ties to maintain and sustain that also involve the same as other hotel owners.
Keep in mind that the UAE is a small country where it's citizens are a small minority of the population. This has come with relationships amongst the clans/tribes and even intra-family being so interwoven and yet sensitive that nationals have to walk on egg shells when dealing with other nationals because it's sort of hard to keep track of whose cousin just married the bosses' sister and who is the bosses' favorite spouse and kids at the moment. The consequence is that the lower level police aren't going to rock the boat and the upper level authorities want peace in the house and don't want to risk shattering the peace amongst the extended relatives by depriving a group of its national of money from investments unless they really feel they have to do something.
So as long as the police aren't called in to resolve a disturbance involving a prostitute at a hotel, the police don't enforce the law because their bosses' bosses have social and business ties to maintain and sustain that also involve the same as other hotel owners.
Keep in mind that the UAE is a small country where it's citizens are a small minority of the population. This has come with relationships amongst the clans/tribes and even intra-family being so interwoven and yet sensitive that nationals have to walk on egg shells when dealing with other nationals because it's sort of hard to keep track of whose cousin just married the bosses' sister and who is the bosses' favorite spouse and kids at the moment. The consequence is that the lower level police aren't going to rock the boat and the upper level authorities want peace in the house and don't want to risk shattering the peace amongst the extended relatives by depriving a group of its national of money from investments unless they really feel they have to do something.
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The hotel owners want the revenue and don't want to lose customers -- including the prostitutes, many of whom are paying a discounted rate but still paying for room and F&B, often with a roommate to keep costs down amongst other things.
So as long as the police aren't called in to resolve a disturbance involving a prostitute at a hotel, the police don't enforce the law because their bosses' bosses have social and business ties to maintain and sustain that also involve the same as other hotel owners.
Keep in mind that the UAE is a small country where it's citizens are a small minority of the population. This has come with relationships amongst the clans/tribes and even intra-family being so interwoven and yet sensitive that nationals have to walk on egg shells when dealing with other nationals because it's sort of hard to keep track of whose cousin just married the bosses' sister and who is the bosses' favorite spouse and kids at the moment. The consequence is that the lower level police aren't going to rock the boat and the upper level authorities want peace in the house and don't want to risk shattering the peace amongst the extended relatives by depriving a group of its national of money from investments unless they really feel they have to do something.
So as long as the police aren't called in to resolve a disturbance involving a prostitute at a hotel, the police don't enforce the law because their bosses' bosses have social and business ties to maintain and sustain that also involve the same as other hotel owners.
Keep in mind that the UAE is a small country where it's citizens are a small minority of the population. This has come with relationships amongst the clans/tribes and even intra-family being so interwoven and yet sensitive that nationals have to walk on egg shells when dealing with other nationals because it's sort of hard to keep track of whose cousin just married the bosses' sister and who is the bosses' favorite spouse and kids at the moment. The consequence is that the lower level police aren't going to rock the boat and the upper level authorities want peace in the house and don't want to risk shattering the peace amongst the extended relatives by depriving a group of its national of money from investments unless they really feel they have to do something.
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An unknown restriction that isn't enforced is not a restriction. Yes of course if you do something horrible you will get in trouble. But it has to be really bad like this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...the-beach.html
99.999% of non-Islamic tourists in Dubai do not encounter any such restrictions, nor are they even aware of restrictions. Thus I maintain there are no real restrictions.
99.999% of non-Islamic tourists in Dubai do not encounter any such restrictions, nor are they even aware of restrictions. Thus I maintain there are no real restrictions.
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An unknown restriction that isn't enforced is not a restriction. Yes of course if you do something horrible you will get in trouble. But it has to be really bad like this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...the-beach.html
99.999% of non-Islamic tourists in Dubai do not encounter any such restrictions, nor are they even aware of restrictions. Thus I maintain there are no real restrictions.
99.999% of non-Islamic tourists in Dubai do not encounter any such restrictions, nor are they even aware of restrictions. Thus I maintain there are no real restrictions.
Same with the point about needing an alcohol license. This may be an actual regulation, but do you really think that every hotel in Dubai would risk losing its license by not checking for customers' alcohol permits? The fact that they don't seem to worry about this leads me to conclude that, de facto, there is no such regulation.
Prostitution is less of a gray area, but, as others have noted, they obviously tolerate it in a somewhat delicate balancing act.
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The UAE has no way to reliably check most of its visitors' marital status. Last names being different means close to nothing -- increasingly so in OECD countries and historically more generally in Muslim-majority countries where it has not been general tradition to change family name at time of religious marriage.
Religious marriages are not invalid in the UAE even if the visitors' home states deny they are valid. So what document is the UAE going to check for marital status? Nothing reliable or necessary, and it's no problem unless you make a bad scene or step on the wrong national's toe.
Religious marriages are not invalid in the UAE even if the visitors' home states deny they are valid. So what document is the UAE going to check for marital status? Nothing reliable or necessary, and it's no problem unless you make a bad scene or step on the wrong national's toe.
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It is illegal to drink alcohol in the UAE without a licence and also on planes. There's been a few cases recently of passengers on Emirates flying in to Dubai causing trouble due to alcohol consumption. They have all been charged with assault and "drinking illegally".
http://www.thenational.ae/uae/courts...nt-court-hears
http://www.thenational.ae/uae/courts...ai-court-hears
http://www.thenational.ae/uae/courts...nt-court-hears
http://www.thenational.ae/uae/courts...ai-court-hears
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It is illegal to drink alcohol in the UAE without a licence and also on planes. There's been a few cases recently of passengers on Emirates flying in to Dubai causing trouble due to alcohol consumption. They have all been charged with assault and "drinking illegally".
http://www.thenational.ae/uae/courts...nt-court-hears
http://www.thenational.ae/uae/courts...ai-court-hears
http://www.thenational.ae/uae/courts...nt-court-hears
http://www.thenational.ae/uae/courts...ai-court-hears
They can trot out the "drinking illegally" as a pretext to pile on when someone commits a more legitimate offence, which seems to be the case every time we hear about this supposed law being broken. But has anyone ever been charged with "drinking illegally" absent more serious aggravating circumstances?
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You're trying to apply western logic to Middle Eastern thinking. In the West, something is either illegal, or it isn't. Here, something is illegal if somebody decides that is, and it isn't if they decide that it isn't. Also, you're trying to find written references to laws...this isn't the right part of the world to expect things to be clearly spelled out in black and white. On a monthly basis those of us who live here come up against a new law, or interpretation of the law, that is not written down anywhere and we've long since given up trying to find out where it's written down...
But anyway, back on topic. Prostitution is illegal; drinking without a licence is illegal. But generally, unless you screw up in some other way, you're unlikely to be prosecuted for doing these things, particularly if you're a tourist.
But anyway, back on topic. Prostitution is illegal; drinking without a licence is illegal. But generally, unless you screw up in some other way, you're unlikely to be prosecuted for doing these things, particularly if you're a tourist.