Metro to Dulles
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Metro to Dulles
Included with my Smart Tag toll statement is a pamphlet that reads (only in Washington): Dulles Toll Road Toll Increase: Change For The Better. The pamphlet goes on to announce that the DC Metrorail is being built from West Falls Church to Tysons Corner, Dulles Airport and beyond (to Route 772, two stops past IAD). Service to IAD (if it really goes anywhere near the airport) is said to begin in 2015. The toll hike on autos (those who drive to points short of IAD) goes into effect May 22.
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Uh-huh. Question is in the current environment of budget cuts and Metro belt-tightening, will it actually get past Reston (or even past Tysons...).
http://www.dullestransit.com/
http://www.dullestransit.com/
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Actually, here's a better link for the specific issue address (redirects):
http://www.dullesmetro.com/
http://www.dullesmetro.com/
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Originally Posted by choster
Uh-huh. Question is in the current environment of budget cuts and Metro belt-tightening, will it actually get past Reston (or even past Tysons...).
http://www.dullestransit.com/
http://www.dullestransit.com/
If you've ever taken the Orange Line to or from Vienna at rush hour, you'll know that the trains (and the parking garages) are already at capacity.
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Originally Posted by wahooflyer
An even bigger question is how Metro will deal with overcrowding. From what I've heard, the trains on the Dulles line will have to alternate with trains on the Orange Line between DC and West Falls Church, cutting Orange Line service in half west of West Falls Church.
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Overcrowding on the Orange Line seems to be the minor issue compared with the choke point between Rosslyn and Foggy Bottom. There is only one tunnel under the Potomac and there are only so many trains you can fit through that tunnel at any given time. Conservative estimates anticipate that tunnel to saturate in 15 years' time (assuming blue line trains divert to the yellow line and orange line trains go all-8-cars), and much sooner if the Dulles extension brings with it another crush of commuters. Unless the economy tanks, of course 
In the meantime, if they reduce enough blue line trains through Rosslyn and make it up with orange line trains, they can send more trains out from Vienna and Tysons (when completed) without impacting the current orange line schedule through the tunnel (which still leads to overcrowded trains as it is). Eight car trains will provide another duct tape's worth of relief. Sooner or later, another underwater tunnel will be needed. Likely under Georgetown?

In the meantime, if they reduce enough blue line trains through Rosslyn and make it up with orange line trains, they can send more trains out from Vienna and Tysons (when completed) without impacting the current orange line schedule through the tunnel (which still leads to overcrowded trains as it is). Eight car trains will provide another duct tape's worth of relief. Sooner or later, another underwater tunnel will be needed. Likely under Georgetown?
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Originally Posted by blueDC
In the meantime, if they reduce enough blue line trains through Rosslyn and make it up with orange line trains, they can send more trains out from Vienna and Tysons (when completed) without impacting the current orange line schedule through the tunnel (which still leads to overcrowded trains as it is). Eight car trains will provide another duct tape's worth of relief. Sooner or later, another underwater tunnel will be needed. Likely under Georgetown?
My guess is also that any new tunnel would be at Georgetown. DC's a different city now and Georgetowners are really pining for a Metro station to the point that many of the merchants said they'd help pay for it, according to the Post a while back.
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Originally Posted by bkong
If I remember correctly, the present tunnel under the Potomac is only one track and that's already a choke point with all the Orange and Blue trains during rush hour. What I read wasn't clear about how Metrorail might re-route Blue trains to the Yellow Line bridge across the Potomac. A majority of Virginian commuters who currently board the Blue Line in the mornings work in Northwest DC so they'd need to transfer at L'Enfant if their Blue trains take the Yellow Line bridge. Also, there'd need to be maintained a reasonable level of service to Arlington Cemetery.
If they send the Blue Line up the Yellow Line bridge, Blue Line VA commuters will just adapt to the regular Yellow Line VA commuters that transfer at L'Enfant for Orange/Blue and Chinatown for Red. Perhaps one out of every 3-5 trains during rush hour will continue to use the regular Blue Line route, thereby significantly enhancing Orange Line capacity through the Potomac tunnel. The only drawback is a confusing Metro map (but other cities - like London - already deploy the "this train goes this way during rush hour but this other way during all other times" method).
Originally Posted by bkong
My guess is also that any new tunnel would be at Georgetown. DC's a different city now and Georgetowners are really pining for a Metro station to the point that many of the merchants said they'd help pay for it, according to the Post a while back.
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Originally Posted by bkong
If I remember correctly, the present tunnel under the Potomac is only one track and that's already a choke point with all the Orange and Blue trains during rush hour. What I read wasn't clear about how Metrorail might re-route Blue trains to the Yellow Line bridge across the Potomac. A majority of Virginian commuters who currently board the Blue Line in the mornings work in Northwest DC so they'd need to transfer at L'Enfant if their Blue trains take the Yellow Line bridge. Also, there'd need to be maintained a reasonable level of service to Arlington Cemetery.
My guess is also that any new tunnel would be at Georgetown. DC's a different city now and Georgetowners are really pining for a Metro station to the point that many of the merchants said they'd help pay for it, according to the Post a while back.
My guess is also that any new tunnel would be at Georgetown. DC's a different city now and Georgetowners are really pining for a Metro station to the point that many of the merchants said they'd help pay for it, according to the Post a while back.
Georgetown sure had better wake up and want Metro stop(s) soon... as it is, the traffic there is a nightmare, there's no parking, and that's outside of the busiest hours.
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Price Soars for Extension of Metrorail
[T]he project as envisioned will probably cost $2.4 billion, a 60 percent increase over the previous estimate and a price that far outstrips the carefully negotiated financing agreement.
Project leaders said they would immediately start work on revising the scope of the construction to reduce that figure, but it was not immediately clear how much cost-cutting would be feasible.
[T]he project as envisioned will probably cost $2.4 billion, a 60 percent increase over the previous estimate and a price that far outstrips the carefully negotiated financing agreement.
Project leaders said they would immediately start work on revising the scope of the construction to reduce that figure, but it was not immediately clear how much cost-cutting would be feasible.
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Originally Posted by bkong
My guess is also that any new tunnel would be at Georgetown. DC's a different city now and Georgetowners are really pining for a Metro station to the point that many of the merchants said they'd help pay for it, according to the Post a while back.
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Originally Posted by vatraveler
I'm sure they're kicking themselves for keeping Metro out in the first place.
That decision was made when Marion Berry was Mayor, and DC was a very different city than it is now.
Very few forsaw Anthony Williams and the changes. If they did, they sure were stupid not to buy as much property in dc as they could.
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Originally Posted by slawecki
That decision was made when Marion Berry was Mayor, and DC was a very different city than it is now.
IIRC, community opposition - due to the mistaken belief that Metro would bring crime, and unwanted noise/congestion from tourists - in the 60s was what prevented Metro from going to Georgetown, and Metro at that time would only plan stops in areas where there was support.
Unless the Federal Gov't showers WMATA with oodles/billions of cash, I don't see Georgetown getting a new Metro stop (and DC getting a cross-town line) anytime soon, no matter how much the residents want it now. One would argue that Georgetown has not suffered as witnessed by the immense concentration of high-end retail and million-dollar homes in that area. Compared to downtown - or even Dupont - where Metro stops are clustered, Georgetown is thriving sans Metro.
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Originally Posted by blueDC
IIIRC, community opposition - due to the mistaken belief that Metro would bring crime, and unwanted noise/congestion from tourists - in the 60s was what prevented Metro from going to Georgetown, and Metro at that time would only plan stops in areas where there was support.
Thanks for correcting one mistake (Barry had nothing to do with it), but it introduces another. While there may well have been some NIMBY opposition to Metro in G'town, that wasn't what kept it out - it was the far far greater expense of the much deeper tunnel cut that would have been required at a Georgetown Potomac crossing than from Foggy Bottom.

