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JetBlue will apply for a second DCA-SJU roundtrip. https://news.jetblue.com/latest-news...t/default.aspx. (I was so hoping for Mint to LAX...sigh)
Here's a good current summary from Cranky Flier: https://crankyflier.com/2024/06/27/n...gets-underway/ United is the last one standing and a great discussion going on over in that forum: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unit...ter-slots.html |
Originally Posted by flyer703
(Post 36334748)
JetBlue will apply for a second DCA-SJU roundtrip. https://news.jetblue.com/latest-news...t/default.aspx. (I was so hoping for Mint to LAX...sigh)
Here's a good current summary from Cranky Flier: https://crankyflier.com/2024/06/27/n...gets-underway/ United is the last one standing and a great discussion going on over in that forum: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unit...ter-slots.html |
Originally Posted by Adam1222
(Post 36334762)
Given (1) that 3 airlines already serve DCA-LAX, and (2) Jetblue just cut 2 transcon destinations to LAX that have competition and moved Mint cabins to East coast-LATAM routes, unlikely that DCA-LAX on B6 was gonna happen!
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United applying for a second DCA-SFO, with new DCA-LAX service as backup. Both early am departures from DCA and late morning/early afternoon departures from the West Coast using MAX 8's: https://www.regulations.gov/document...2024-0065-5775 (United Airlines - Application for DCA Slot Exemptions)
I'm really surprised they jumped into DCA-LAX, as they seemed to have a lot of leverage here to call whatever they wanted. |
Originally Posted by flyer703
(Post 36361550)
United applying for a second DCA-SFO, with new DCA-LAX service as backup. Both early am departures from DCA and late morning/early afternoon departures from the West Coast using MAX 8's: https://www.regulations.gov/document...2024-0065-5775 (United Airlines - Application for DCA Slot Exemptions)
I'm really surprised they jumped into DCA-LAX, as they seemed to have a lot of leverage here to call whatever they wanted. id rather see markets that don’t have it. |
The applications are in: https://www.regulations.gov/docket/DOT-OST-2024-0065
Here's a summary. I'm sure we all have our favorites :) (If a column is blank, that means the applicant did not specify that information). https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...c5aa434fcd.jpg |
Originally Posted by Adam1222
(Post 36334762)
Given (1) that 3 airlines already serve DCA-LAX, and (2) Jetblue just cut 2 transcon destinations to LAX that have competition and moved Mint cabins to East coast-LATAM routes, unlikely that DCA-LAX on B6 was gonna happen!
Assuming AA, DL, WN and AS are almost a lock, I hope it comes down to this and UA's second SFO. Both would be good! |
I dont see UA getting a second SFO - runs quite contrary to the statutory intent.
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Originally Posted by IADCAflyer
(Post 36387798)
I dont see UA getting a second SFO - runs quite contrary to the statutory intent.
United would clearly have SFO over LAX (that preference is clear) but frankly either of those would be a better fit than B6's proposal. And the statute isn't the only thing guiding the award of slots, the normal DOT procedures also apply (about public benefits, etc) and for that, United has made a very strong case. |
Originally Posted by blockski
(Post 36388741)
Compared to what, though? Is a second frequency for B6 on DCA-SJU with no competition a better fit? Absolutely not.
United would clearly have SFO over LAX (that preference is clear) but frankly either of those would be a better fit than B6's proposal. And the statute isn't the only thing guiding the award of slots, the normal DOT procedures also apply (about public benefits, etc) and for that, United has made a very strong case. The main UA option does neither of these two. Same with the B6 option. DL's reply comments made quite the stir of noting that United opposed any new slots. And now UA wants a half-hearted attempt at getting an additional pair. |
Originally Posted by IADCAflyer
(Post 36391450)
Neither the UA proposal for SFO nor the B6 proposal to SJU are very compelling. Both are proposing service to their own already, pre-existing service. The goal of the exemptions are 1) to increase options to cities that do not have service to DCA, and 2) increase competition.
The main UA option does neither of these two. Same with the B6 option. DL's reply comments made quite the stir of noting that United opposed any new slots. And now UA wants a half-hearted attempt at getting an additional pair. |
Originally Posted by IADCAflyer
(Post 36391450)
Neither the UA proposal for SFO nor the B6 proposal to SJU are very compelling. Both are proposing service to their own already, pre-existing service. The goal of the exemptions are 1) to increase options to cities that do not have service to DCA, and 2) increase competition.
The main UA option does neither of these two. Same with the B6 option. DL's reply comments made quite the stir of noting that United opposed any new slots. And now UA wants a half-hearted attempt at getting an additional pair. Likewise, the fact that United opposed adding new slots is also irrelevant - they are included in the law as an eligible applicant. Finally, if Congress really wanted to emphasize the two criteria, they could've written stronger language - they could've required that applicants either add service to a new market or explicitly add a new competitor to an existing market. They could've dedicated exemptions for new entrants (as they have in the past) but they explicitly excluded them. Previous slot exemption laws have been written slightly differently. |
DOT can do this one of two ways - both hinge on the status of Alaska. Spirit does make a colorable argument that AS is not a limited incumbent.
Assuming that AS is a limited incumbent, I see the following: AA - SAT; WN - LAS; DL - SEA; AS - SAN; ## - ###. The most likely choice would be UA to LAX. I don't see UA to SFO getting it as they already service it. Assuming that AS is not a limited incumbent, see the following: AA - SAT; WN - LAS; DL - SEA; AS - SAN; NK - SJC I think that if AS is a non-limited incumbent, UA gets the hose. |
If DCA keeps adding more flights, they need parking garages.
Last two times I flew out of DCA, there was no parking available in the daily lots and we had to park in the economy lot and wait to take the bus which added 45 minutes of time to get to the gate. |
Originally Posted by Grusgott
(Post 36455379)
If DCA keeps adding more flights, they need parking garages.
. Five more daily round-trips wont have any significant impact on parking. |
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