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When are we expecting this to be decided?
Quote: Not later than 60 days after the date of enactment of the FAA Reauthorization Act of 2024, the Secretary shall grant, by order, 10 exemptions . . . . H.R. 3935, Sec. 502(a), adding 49 U.S.C. § 41718(i)(1) et seq. The countdown will start when the President signs it into law. I wonder how soon the airlines will make their submissions, and whether they would announce them publicly. Doing so might help the competing carriers tactically, so I doubt it. Maybe only the fact that they have applied. |
Originally Posted by SPN Lifer
(Post 36229461)
When are we expecting this to be decided?
Quote: Not later than 60 days after the date of enactment of the FAA Reauthorization Act of 2024, the Secretary shall grant, by order, 10 exemptions . . . . H.R. 3935, Sec. 502(a), adding 49 U.S.C. § 41718(i)(1) et seq. The countdown will start when the President signs it into law. I wonder how soon the airlines will make their submissions, and whether they would announce them publicly. Doing so might help the competing carriers tactically, so I doubt it. Maybe only the fact that they have applied. You can look back at the 2012 proceeding. The 2012 FAA law set a 90-day deadline. The law was signed in Feb 14, 2012 - the FAA posted notice on Feb. 24, with applications due by March 12 and comments due by March 27; after all the back and forth, the order was issued on May 14. So the initial timeline met the requirement of the law, but once you get into the back and forth of applications, comments, replies, etc. it can drag on. The award required airlines to start service no later than September, 2012. Still, if it's not 60 days on the nose, it should be relatively quick. It's also interesting to see what airlines applied for but did not get: Alaska asked for (ranked order) PDX and SAN, and got PDX JetBlue asked for SJU and AUS, and got SJU Southwest asked for AUS and got AUS Virgin America asked for SFO x2, and got SFO x1. Air Canada asked for YVR Frontier asked for COS Sun Country asked for LAS Nobody asked for SAT. |
Originally Posted by SPN Lifer
(Post 36229457)
Puerto Rico has minimal congressional clout; New Mexico and Idaho not much more.
More importantly, the flight demand is likely lower than several of the nonstop alternatives. Airlines prefer to maximize revenue. |
Originally Posted by blockski
(Post 36230273)
You can look back at the 2012 proceeding. The 2012 FAA law set a 90-day deadline.
... It's also interesting to see what airlines applied for but did not get: Alaska asked for (ranked order) PDX and SAN, and got PDX JetBlue asked for SJU and AUS, and got SJU Southwest asked for AUS and got AUS Virgin America asked for SFO x2, and got SFO x1. Air Canada asked for YVR Frontier asked for COS Sun Country asked for LAS Nobody asked for SAT. Good point about Sun Country being in the mix as a limited incumbent. I'd forgotten about them. You can bet your last $$ on SAT getting one this time.;) |
Guesses on what is asked for:
AS: SAN (moves IAD flight) WN: DEN AA: SAT DL: SEA (moves IAD flight) F9: LAS SY: LAS UA I'm not sure, I think they would do LAX to get schedule parity with others, but an additional SFO may have more network benefits. Breeze/Avelo being excluded is interesting, Breeze could potentially make use of such slots to much smaller cities without nonstop service such as ABQ. |
Originally Posted by whlinder
(Post 36238907)
UA I'm not sure, I think they would do LAX to get schedule parity with others, but an additional SFO may have more network benefits.
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This is now a done deal https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/15/polit...ill/index.html
I will edit the top post on the thread when the DOT has awarded all of the 5 new slots. |
Welp, WN applied for LAS. I had assumed WN would pick their largest station for DCA, but I get taking on a 1x daily AA flight compared to 3x F9 and 1x UA.
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So:
AS: DCA-SAN WN: DCA-LAS AA: DCA-SAT DL: DCA-SEA (assumed) UA: DCA-??? (conventional wisdom assumes LAX as that's pretty much all UA can do based on the language of the statutory provision). |
Don't think JetBlue will make a pitch?
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Originally Posted by IADCAflyer
(Post 36249632)
So:
AS: DCA-SAN WN: DCA-LAS AA: DCA-SAT DL: DCA-SEA (assumed) UA: DCA-??? (conventional wisdom assumes LAX as that's pretty much all UA can do based on the language of the statutory provision). |
Originally Posted by whlinder
(Post 36247954)
Welp, WN applied for LAS. I had assumed WN would pick their largest station for DCA, but I get taking on a 1x daily AA flight compared to 3x F9 and 1x UA.
WN has multiple one stop to DEN flights like thru MDE, OMA, OKC, and a few other cities LAS or PHX allow them to fly to Hawaii and other route options beside denver with 1 stop+ 1 connection flight rules. I expect the route to be something where you can go back and forth with Hawaii routes take an am departure and thrn land after 12 pm similar to what you can do with BWI now |
Originally Posted by IADCAflyer
(Post 36249632)
So:
AS: DCA-SAN WN: DCA-LAS AA: DCA-SAT DL: DCA-SEA (assumed) UA: DCA-??? (conventional wisdom assumes LAX as that's pretty much all UA can do based on the language of the statutory provision). I'm sure UA's preference would be for another SFO, and given the size of the Bay Area's economy and with only 2 beyond perimeter flights, plus the fact that there's already a competitor on the route, there's a case to be made for SFO (if LAX has 4 flights, and Seattle would have 3, and Phoenix has 3... but SFO only has 2?). But it clearly is the least responsive to the requirements. If B6 doesn't apply, then UA can ask for SFO and there's basically no other option - and the law says the Secretary 'shall' issue these exemptions. If B6 does apply, then I'd imagine UA's choice would depend on what they pick. LAX would be the safest choice and the easiest argument. |
Spirit asking for DCA-SJC. https://ir.spirit.com/news-releases/...t/default.aspx
Did not see that one coming... Unclear if they qualify as a "limited incumbent". |
Delta confirms it's seeking SEA
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/travel/new...ts/ar-BB1nJNtp |
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