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Old Nov 11, 2018, 8:50 am
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Originally Posted by sch7458
FYI: The Japanese are not known for being fluent in any foreign language.
FYI: That's a grossly prejudiced generalization. There are many false conceptions about every culture, and FlyerTalk should not be a place for propagating these misconceptions.
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Old Nov 11, 2018, 8:56 am
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Originally Posted by sch7458
Any thought?
I would ask the Lurkers to look into it.
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Old Nov 11, 2018, 9:08 am
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Originally Posted by mahasamatman
FYI: That's a grossly prejudiced generalization. There are many false conceptions about every culture, and FlyerTalk should not be a place for propagating these misconceptions.
What do you call someone who speaks three languages? Answer: trilingual

What do you call someone who speaks two languages? Answer: bilingual

What do you call someone who speaks one language? Answer: American

As an American, I hope it is OK to make fun of ourselves.
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Old Nov 11, 2018, 9:20 am
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Originally Posted by mahasamatman
FYI: That's a grossly prejudiced generalization. There are many false conceptions about every culture, and FlyerTalk should not be a place for propagating these misconceptions.
Sorry, maybe my sentence was not very specific, I mean Japanese in average. There are of course some who can speak English or any other foreign language fluently.
But having visited Japan several times (and stayed there for couple months), that was my impression.
Even in Haneda International airport and Tokyo station, I encountered a number of staffs who do not know anything about foreign language.
Just to make clear: It's nothing bad or so about being unable to speak foreign languages in general, but in an international airport or international hotel chains, I expect the majority of staffs should be able to speak at least an extra international language.

And back to the topic: The reason I was not willing to book over phone on 4P Hakodate was because the receptionist need about 2 minutes to understand the sentence: "I would like to book a room".
I had to repeat that one sentence 4 or 5 times slowly - and BTW I'm not native English speaker either.
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Old Nov 11, 2018, 10:00 am
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Booking tactic

Yes, the inventory may very well be sold/blocked for OTAs leaving nothing for Marriott.com to sell. But I also run into the MLOS issues (both minimum and maximum). So when I'm looking for multiple nights at a property, I will check each day separately, the total stay, and all combinations of consecutive nights. Yes, it's a lot of work. No, it didn't save me a lot of money but some. Not sure (but often suspect it) if it is deliberate or a lack of knowledge on the property's part. There may be some game playing going on, especially when the system is geared to pick the highest price during the stay and offer that as the nightly rate, some pick the lowest nightly rate and offer that as the "rates starting at" rate only to bump the rate for other nights. And just about any combination of tactics. If you are one to walk in a store, grab an item off the shelf, pay for it, and walk out, fine. But if you like to comparison shop, expect to do some work.
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Old Nov 11, 2018, 10:13 am
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Originally Posted by sch7458
This is the availability for 4P Sheraton Hakodate:



Any thought?
Those rates seem high for a 4Pts compared to other hotels in Japan.
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Old Nov 11, 2018, 10:25 am
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Originally Posted by RogerD408
Yes, the inventory may very well be sold/blocked for OTAs leaving nothing for Marriott.com to sell. But I also run into the MLOS issues (both minimum and maximum). So when I'm looking for multiple nights at a property, I will check each day separately, the total stay, and all combinations of consecutive night.
I just came across this again with the Imperial in Vienna. Points were available for one of the two nights that I wanted, but I wasn’t able to book points for one night because on the other night the lowest 4 categories of rooms were subject to a minimum 2 night stay (more expensive rooms were not). On top of that, SPG50 rates were available, but give errors to both Platinum agents and Ambassadors and so in practice I was told the rates couldn’t actually be booked.

I’m staying at the Imperial because it’s a one of a kind hotel, but these games and errors are why I have moved away from SPG/ Marriott as my preferred option for the first time since 2010. There are issues of some sort with every_single_stay.
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Old Nov 11, 2018, 10:28 am
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I had this in Dusseldorf (Renaissance) and Munich (Airport) recently. Fully booked or more expensive on Marriott website. I booked on booking.com fully refundable and called up afterwards to see whether they can match the price. They could not find the reservation on the Marriott system, but only on a separate booking.com system after I gave them the reservation number. In both cases they matched the rate . Renaissance even gave me a guaranteed Suite upgrade after I mentioned that due to the website problems it is virtually impossible to use the SNAs
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Old Nov 11, 2018, 8:50 pm
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Originally Posted by mahasamatman
To use the guarantee, you must call and pay full rack rate.
HHonors would show full rack rates on-line and some of them are actually not that bad for sold-out hotels. Oops, I forgot that we are dealing with Marriott!
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Old Nov 11, 2018, 8:54 pm
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Originally Posted by margarita girl
I would ask the Lurkers to look into it.
Do we still have Lurkers? How to contact them?
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Old Nov 11, 2018, 9:42 pm
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4P Hakodate has had this issue before. I believe there are threads in the SPG forum.

This is one area where the old SPG BRG was amazing. I had some super cheap stays here.
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Old Nov 11, 2018, 10:17 pm
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Originally Posted by RogerD408
But I also run into the MLOS issues (both minimum and maximum).
Single night stays at this property show nothing but weekends through mid-March, then nothing for a month, and no real availability until July, for single night stays. 2, 3, and 5 night stays aren't much different.

It's either an extremely popular business hotel or something is off with inventory.

I seem to recall this problem in the past with some overseas SPG properties - they loaded inventory at the beginning of the year, even for January. But the periodic availability, and availability in the summer, would argue against that.
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Old Nov 11, 2018, 11:05 pm
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Existing threads: 1, 2, and a couple of mentions in annual category change threads. Definitely something funky going on with this place.
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Old Nov 12, 2018, 12:03 am
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Originally Posted by sch7458
Does someone have experience with room availability problem, where Marriott hotel is only bookable on non-Marriott website?
Basically a room is available everywhere, except on Marriott website.
Is SPG planning something new or do I miss something here?

Case of Four Points Hakodate:

Room available everywhere ....

... except on it's own website
Hi sch7458,

We have contacted Four Points by Sheraton Hakodate. The hotel advised that there was a system issue and they are working to fix it.

Best Regards,

Christina Zhou
Social Media Specialist
Marriott International

[email protected]
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Old Nov 12, 2018, 8:10 am
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Originally Posted by UA-NYC
Some Chi hotels have put in 2 night MLOS restrictions - were you searching for a single night?
Good idea but that's not the issue. I'm on a 3 night stay this time and was searching for 3 nights.

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