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whirledtraveler Oct 12, 2007 5:10 am

Serious problems with Marriott.com website update
 
Okay, so now they want to use your email address rather than your user name. So, I used my user name last night. I forgot my password (my browser kept track of it) and now, I'm always redirected to a "session expired" page. I can't even tell marriott.com to forget me as a user so that I can even see any of the information pages about hotels. The button is there but it doesn't work.

I had to read about a hotel using the google cache this morning!!!

USirritated Oct 12, 2007 5:38 am


Originally Posted by whirledtraveler (Post 8548716)
Okay, so now they want to use your email address rather than your user name. So, I used my user name last night. I forgot my password (my browser kept track of it) and now, I'm always redirected to a "session expired" page. I can't even tell marriott.com to forget me as a user so that I can even see any of the information pages about hotels. The button is there but it doesn't work.

I had to read about a hotel using the google cache this morning!!!

That is not entirely correct. They want you to use either your e-mail address OR your MR number as your user name from now on, while your password may stay the same. So, simply choose your e-mail address or your MR number as your new user name and sign in, as I did, and I had no trouble whatsoever. No offense to you, but the fact that you forgot your password and can't figure out the simple instructions is NOT Marriott's fault, is it? Just go back to the sign in page, read it a bit more carefully, and you should do fine. I checked out several hotels that I had never checked out before after signing in today, and checked my megabonus progress, and a couple of other tasks, all with no glitches. I would say that marriott.com was checked before the new update was taken live and in living color! Good luck to you!

aaupgrade Oct 12, 2007 5:46 am

There is a very easy work around for this. You have to close all instances of IE 7 and then start IE 7 again and proceed to their web site.

But you are absolutely correct, they did not test this properly.

The problem: After siging into Marriott.com if you let your session go unattended for a period of time it automatically logs you out. It then provides you a logon screen, which even when you use a correct password doesn't work. The really bad thing is that you cannot go to any other part of Marriott's site, because it just sends you back to this expired sesssion logon screen (that doesn't work).

USirritated Oct 12, 2007 6:02 am


Originally Posted by aaupgrade (Post 8548826)
There is a very easy work around for this. You have to close all instances of IE 7 and then start IE 7 again and proceed to their web site.

But you are absolutely correct, they did not test this properly.

The problem: After siging into Marriott.com if you let your session go unattended for a period of time it automatically logs you out. It then provides you a logon screen, which even when you use a correct password doesn't work. The really bad thing is that you cannot go to any other part of Marriott's site, because it just sends you back to this expired sesssion logon screen (that doesn't work).

If you time out, you do have to close IE, and open another IE window, which is a pain in the butt, but there are other sites that are similar now, or who make you go all the way back to the very first page or other irritations, unfortunately. You do not have to close all open IE windows. I know this, because I have six other IE windows open right now. Do I like it, no, but it is not the worst thing ever, and hopefully it will be fixed in the next couple of days, because I am sure they will get lots of feedback on it very quickly!

whirledtraveler Oct 12, 2007 6:13 am


Originally Posted by USirritated (Post 8548794)
That is not entirely correct. They want you to use either your e-mail address OR your MR number as your user name from now on, while your password may stay the same. So, simply choose your e-mail address or your MR number as your new user name and sign in, as I did, and I had no trouble whatsoever. No offense to you, but the fact that you forgot your password and can't figure out the simple instructions is NOT Marriott's fault, is it? Just go back to the sign in page, read it a bit more carefully, and you should do fine. I checked out several hotels that I had never checked out before after signing in today, and checked my megabonus progress, and a couple of other tasks, all with no glitches. I would say that marriott.com was checked before the new update was taken live and in living color! Good luck to you!

Relax, there is a real design problem. Look at at several of the other posts in this thread for details. You can get stuck on their session expired page. For what it's worth, I visit about 10-20 software development teams a year, helping them with testing issues, and I can think of only a handful that would let this sort of a glitch get past them. It's something that Marriott needs to work on.

whirledtraveler Oct 12, 2007 6:22 am


Originally Posted by aaupgrade (Post 8548826)
There is a very easy work around for this. You have to close all instances of IE 7 and then start IE 7 again and proceed to their web site.

Better yet, use Firefox.

USirritated Oct 12, 2007 6:22 am


Originally Posted by whirledtraveler (Post 8548912)
Relax, partner. There is a real design problem. Look at at several of the other posts in this thread for details. You can get stuck on their session expired page. For what it's worth, I visit about 10-20 software development teams a year, helping them with testing issues, and I can think of only a handful that would let this sort of a glitch get past them. It's something that Marriott needs to work on.

LOL, several other posts in this thread? You realize that there are only three posters in this thread so far, right? You just posted for the second time, and I am now posting for the third time. I am aware that the site is not perfect, and it never was. None of the travel sites are anywhere close to perfect, they all have glitches, and I have come to believe that some of those glitches are purposeful, because they are so obvious, and they never change. In any case, you said in your first posting that part of your problem was forgetting your password, and part of your problem was that you were still using your old username, and not your e-mail address or MR number. Fix those two issues, and you should be in good shape. I know that I got good results that way.

USirritated Oct 12, 2007 6:23 am


Originally Posted by whirledtraveler (Post 8548945)
Better yet, use Firefox.

Good point!

locanmures Oct 12, 2007 6:25 am

IMHO, Marriott's roll-out of their website went better than Starwood's.

aaupgrade Oct 12, 2007 8:00 am

Marriott Concierge - Please help with reporting Web Site Problems
 
Chris please pass along these problems to your IT folks. I spoke with Platinum Guest Services, Reservations and Internet Support. The first two were of no help; Guest Services didn't even have a number for Internet support. The person I spoke with at Internet Support provided the pat answer "delete your cookies" and was not at all interested in taking a trouble report so IT could fix the problem. I asked to speak with her supervisor and she said her supervisor was not there and took my name and number and asked what her supervisor should do. Geez! I asked her to ask her supervisor to contact me at the phone number I provided. She said they don't call people, they only email. :mad:

I then called Mr. Marriott's office and spoke with a nice lady there who was able to provide me the phone number of a former coworker who heads up you IT performance area. I called him and left a message for him to give me a call. Ironically, when we worked together I headed up the IV&V testing for our software products.


OK, the problems so far:

1) After signing onto Marriott.com and after a period of inactivity your session will time out. When the session times out and you try to navigate anywhere on Marriott.com a Session Timed Out web page is displayed that provides a field to enter your password so you can log back in. Good idea, but unfortunately it does not work. Attempts to sign-in or clicking on any link (including the Clear Remembered User link) on the page results in the same Session Expired Window being re-displayed. Now there are 3 links on the Session Timed Out web page that do work; Gift Cards, Travel Agents, and Shop Marriott but that is it. The only way to get back to a useable Marriott.com is to close al instances of IE 7.0 where Marriott web pages have been accessed or delete one's cookies. The later is not a good solution for many of us as we use cookies to automatically log us on to the dozens of web site we visit, so doing so results in even more frustration of having to also logon to web sites other than Marriott.com. Obviously terminating IE 7.0 instances can cause problems too if we have other vendors' internet sessions active on tabs of the closed instance as we will have to navigate back to those sites. The bottom line is that it is obvious that this Session Timed Out web page does not work as designed, and it wasn't tested.

2) The new feature on the My Marriott Rewards Account - Upcoming Reservations web page shown below for reward reservations:


Marriott Rewards Redemption
You do not have e-certificate(s) for this reservation.
Order e-certificate(s).

If you have not ordered e-certificate(s) 7 days prior to
your stay, e-certificate(s) will be auto-ordered for you.
I called Guest Services yesterday and had the three cat 6 certificates applied to my January 3-week Award stay. They attached those 3 certificates to my Award reservation. The certificates immediately disappeared form my Unused Certificates section on the My Marriott Rewards Account - Upcoming Reservations web page but the following notation remained associated with my reservation:


Marriott Rewards Redemption
You do not have e-certificate(s) for this reservation.
Order e-certificate(s).

If you have not ordered e-certificate(s) 7 days prior to
your stay, e-certificate(s) will be auto-ordered for you.
The Guest Services representative said it would take overnight for the changes to be reflected in my reservation. Well I checked again this morning and nothing had changed:


Marriott Rewards Redemption
You do not have e-certificate(s) for this reservation.
Order e-certificate(s).

If you have not ordered e-certificate(s) 7 days prior to
your stay, e-certificate(s) will be auto-ordered for you.
I sure hope another 3 certificates are not ordered for this reservation 7 days prior to my stay. I called Guest Services again today and they said that the certificates are in fact connected to my reservation despite the above notation to the contrary. The question is what data does the Auto-Ordering feature key off of? I am not getting warm and fuzzies here.

The IT folks really need to work on their implementation of this and do further testing. If they don't I can see all kinds of potential ill-will and headaches down the road.


3) On the My Marriott Rewards Account - Marriott Rewards Account Activity web page under the Current Account Summary section it shows Nights Credited Toward Elite Membership as 74 with Additional Nights Needed to Renew as 16. On the Home page and also on the Marriott Rewards page it shows Nights this year to be 59 (this is correct). My guess is that on the Current Account Summary page they are adding in the 15 Marriott Rewards Premier Visa nights again.


Chris, it is fairly obvious that once again the testing of changes to the Marriott.com web site were minimal at best. The session expired scenario wasn't tested at all. We went down this path a year or so ago. You think the IT folks would have improved their IV&V testing after the last go round. Do the same thing, get the same results. No changes to their testing procedures as best I can tell. At least they are living down to our expectations. Perhaps next time they will surprise us. Hopefully they can correct these sooner than the 6-9 months it took them to correct the IE 7.0 rendering issues.


Hopefully others will provide additional posts detailing issues they encounter with the new web site implementation. For others who post problems, it is very important that you be detailed as possible as every little bit of information helps. This goes for me too. In another thread I indicated that you had to close down all instances of IE 7.0 to be able to access Marriott.com. Another poster said you did not have to do that. I let my session time out and discovered that was in fact correct. IE 7.0 Instances that did not have pages open to Marriott.com do not have to be terminated in order to access Marriott.com correctly. It doesn't correct the problem of the Session Timed Out web page not working, but it does help in the temporary work around for us to be able to access Marriott.com and give them our business.

alfahund Oct 12, 2007 8:43 am


Originally Posted by whirledtraveler (Post 8548945)
Better yet, use Firefox.

Same issue with Firefox. In Firefox I could resolve the issue by deleting all the marriott.com-related cookies. Since then I don't get into the timeout-loop anymore...

alfahund Oct 12, 2007 8:44 am


Originally Posted by locanmures (Post 8548964)
IMHO, Marriott's roll-out of their website went better than Starwood's.

To make it even worse is easy ;)

laurajoyce Oct 12, 2007 10:58 am

Problems with the site were making me nuts all day yesterday. (I'm sure that this was the case for many people who simply didn't bother to post here.) No way to run a business. One of the many problems was that I got stuck on the "session expired" page for hours. Seems to be working better today though.

jezsik Oct 12, 2007 1:02 pm

Thanks for the cookie-clearing trick
 
Even after a clean re-start of Firefox and putting in my new username, when I timed out it still put me in the infinite loop. Clearing the Marriott cookies is a lot easier than restarting the application.

alfahund Oct 12, 2007 1:21 pm


Originally Posted by jezsik (Post 8550988)
Even after a clean re-start of Firefox and putting in my new username, when I timed out it still put me in the infinite loop. Clearing the Marriott cookies is a lot easier than restarting the application.

It's a workaround, but I hope they have someone reading this forum (Chris?) and explains to the web developers how wrong their approach is ;)

USirritated Oct 12, 2007 1:37 pm


Originally Posted by jezsik (Post 8550988)
Even after a clean re-start of Firefox and putting in my new username, when I timed out it still put me in the infinite loop. Clearing the Marriott cookies is a lot easier than restarting the application.

Yes, I agree, much easier, and also much easier in Firefox than in IE. But did anyone have the problem that I had last night with not being able to sign into FlyerTalk for about two hours? I could not even get the webpage to come up for that entire time!

Michigan Czar Oct 12, 2007 2:19 pm

I have encountered the same situation on my award stays that I have certificates issued for already. My other problem is under unused certificates it shows nothing but when I spoke to them on the phone today they said they see my certificates I ordered and "attached them to my reservations but no changes so far.

I also have the different nights stayed situation you are experiencing and it is off 15 nights also and I do have the Marriott Premier Visa.

bitburgr Oct 12, 2007 3:03 pm

I tried logging in with my email address (after all, it does say email address or rewards number) only to be presented with a message that says that I can't use my email address. Uhh, that would be a problem. (I'm too lazy to stand up and grab my card to find my number.)

redshift27 Oct 12, 2007 3:06 pm

After a few phone calls today, I've been told that the website does not yet understand attachment of Travel Packages, and even though I have two confirmatory emails showing the Travel Packages attached to the reservations, the website still claims e-certificates are required. The attached Travel Packages have disappeared from the list of unused certificates though.

Curiously, in the process, one of the Travel Packages mutated into a Partial/Half Travel Package (091 -> 091H). I was told this was because the certificate had been extended, presumably this was done by a hamfisted rep whilst trying to attach it (they do not seem very good at this yet) as it did not need extending!

alfahund Oct 12, 2007 4:26 pm


Originally Posted by USirritated (Post 8551174)
Yes, I agree, much easier, and also much easier in Firefox than in IE. But did anyone have the problem that I had last night with not being able to sign into FlyerTalk for about two hours? I could not even get the webpage to come up for that entire time!

They ran out of blue ink, therefore you were not allowed to log in... :D

Copilot23 Oct 12, 2007 8:11 pm

I had gifted a certificate in the name of a person who is joining us on a vacation to Mexico, but is flying out of Ohare on a very early flight later in the week. Given I was going to be out of the country, I had the Marriott Rewards category certificate put in her name and have a paper certificate for her. The reservation, in her name, used to show up online and it said it could not be changed or modified online and that MR had to be contacted to make reservations changes or cancellations. Tonight, it is telling me an e-certificate has not been ordered and will be auto-ordered soon, if I don't modify or cancel the reservation. I already have a paper certificate that I've already purchased with points, in my possession. It no longer says the reservation can only be modified or cancelled by calling MR's 800 number. Of course MR is not open at this hour. The reservations desk indicated to me it was a problem with the website and referred me to online support. Online support said it was a reservation made over the phone and therefore didn't involve them leaving him with only view access to the reservation, so they couldn't help. He referred me back to Marriott Rewards.
I'm sure this saga is to be continued.

USirritated Oct 13, 2007 1:15 am


Originally Posted by alfahund (Post 8551865)
They ran out of blue ink, therefore you were not allowed to log in... :D

I tried red too, but evidently they'd used all of that up already on your red ... first, so I was totally out of luck!

alfahund Oct 13, 2007 4:14 am


Originally Posted by bitburgr (Post 8551538)
I tried logging in with my email address (after all, it does say email address or rewards number) only to be presented with a message that says that I can't use my email address. Uhh, that would be a problem. (I'm too lazy to stand up and grab my card to find my number.)

First time I tried to login, it asked me to confirm my e-mail address. I received an e-mail and since then I can log in with my e-mail address (not sure if that is mandatory to login with your e-mail address, though)

NBSPGMEMBER Oct 13, 2007 7:30 pm

I get this...After I log-in with my email or MR#, I cannot log-out, I have to completely reset my browser. Or sometimes I get this...When I try to log-in it says that my password is invalid!? What the ????. Never had a problem with Marriott.com before the new changes. I'm using an iMac with a Safari browser. I don't have this problem with my Dell computer at work. Ah well...

USirritated Oct 13, 2007 9:16 pm


Originally Posted by alfahund (Post 8553801)
First time I tried to login, it asked me to confirm my e-mail address. I received an e-mail and since then I can log in with my e-mail address (not sure if that is mandatory to login with your e-mail address, though)

No, you are supposed to be able to log in with EITHER your e-mail address OR your MR number. I guess there are still quite a few bugs for Marriott to work out! :eek: :td: :(

MNAudiS4 Oct 13, 2007 11:17 pm

how do you do this math? 87 nights, i am only at 72, 3 needed to renew status.

Current Membership Level Nights Credited Toward Elite Membership Additional Nights Needed to Renew Nights Needed to Achieve Next Level
Platinum Total Nights 87 3 0

PS NEW WEBSITE SUCKS

alfahund Oct 14, 2007 12:58 am


Originally Posted by MNAudiS4 (Post 8556776)
how do you do this math? 87 nights, i am only at 72, 3 needed to renew status.

Current Membership Level Nights Credited Toward Elite Membership Additional Nights Needed to Renew Nights Needed to Achieve Next Level
Platinum Total Nights 87 3 0

PS NEW WEBSITE SUCKS

Make a printout and send it to Marriott. Tell them that you qualify for Platinum, based on the website. ;)

USirritated Oct 14, 2007 3:03 am

Just out of curiosity, what did your profile say before they switched to the new website? Did it show Plat there, or that you still needed nights earned to make it to Plat?

bitburgr Oct 14, 2007 11:12 am


Originally Posted by USirritated (Post 8556470)
No, you are supposed to be able to log in with EITHER your e-mail address OR your MR number. I guess there are still quite a few bugs for Marriott to work out! :eek: :td: :(

Correct. Now that I've logged in successfully using my MR number, I still can't log in with my email address.

USirritated Oct 14, 2007 3:22 pm


Originally Posted by aaupgrade (Post 8549424)
Chris please pass along these problems to your IT folks. I spoke with Platinum Guest Services, Reservations and Internet Support. The first two were of no help; Guest Services didn't even have a number for Internet support. The person I spoke with at Internet Support provided the pat answer "delete your cookies" and was not at all interested in taking a trouble report so IT could fix the problem. I asked to speak with her supervisor and she said her supervisor was not there and took my name and number and asked what her supervisor should do. Geez! I asked her to ask her supervisor to contact me at the phone number I provided. She said they don't call people, they only email. :mad:

I then called Mr. Marriott's office and spoke with a nice lady there who was able to provide me the phone number of a former coworker who heads up you IT performance area. I called him and left a message for him to give me a call. Ironically, when we worked together I headed up the IV&V testing for our software products.

I believe that the correct person/office you should contact is Marriott's Office of Communications Operations Technology. Vice President of Communications Technology is Lou Paladeau, and he is a very nice and cooperative guy. He is not always easy to reach though, since he is often on the road around the world, as you might imagine. Good luck!

SkiAdcock Oct 14, 2007 7:50 pm

I did the sign-in w/ email earlier today & was doing some searching on an award. When I went back to it a couple of minutes later was told I timed out & to resubmit my password (not email; just password), but every time I keyed it in I got the same message over & over. Cleared out cookies, internet, etc. Still problems.

Eventually going in via a dif method got in & loved :rolleyes: the Xmas colors. Suddenly the white, red, black type/color scheme turned to red background, & deep green/blue typeface, so basically unreadable.

Cheers.

SkiAdcock Oct 14, 2007 10:28 pm

And Off-Topic - let me join the other FTers by saying your picking a dif font & color is actually quite difficult to read, so while in some cases you might have good input, I'm starting to join the 'roll past yours crowd' just cuz it's a pain. I realize it's to each their own, so for you it works. For some of us, so does scroll ;) Don't want to force you into a bland corner, but since you're relatively new to FT (and Welcome BTW!), you might want to consider doing the regular font/color if you want input to be really considered.

Now back On-Topic - what's up w/ the Xmas colors & all the other stuff w/ the website. I'm assuming when Bruce (the mod) gets back from wherever he is he'll merge the 2 threads re: it, but boy in some ways Mariott IT definitely dropped the ball. And I'm not even as IT savvy as you all.

Cheers.

aaupgrade Oct 15, 2007 10:36 am

I did speak with my former colleague today and he informed me that they are applying a hot fix this evening to correct the Session Expired problem.

Marriott Concierge Oct 15, 2007 11:06 am

Hello,

Thank you for all of your feedback and patience on the new Marriott.com changes.

I have passed on the concerns and information that you have listed in this forum to our team heading the online implementations. They were unable to trap the exact problem until late yesterday, and as Aaupgrade stated in his earlier post, they will be loading a fix tonight.

Please keep me posted on any issues you may run into as it is always helpful to have this feedback when launching a new system.

Kind regards,

alfahund Oct 15, 2007 2:50 pm


Originally Posted by Marriott Concierge (Post 8562686)
Hello,

Thank you for all of your feedback and patience on the new Marriott.com changes.

I have passed on the concerns and information that you have listed in this forum to our team heading the online implementations. They were unable to trap the exact problem until late yesterday, and as Aaupgrade stated in his earlier post, they will be loading a fix tonight.

Please keep me posted on any issues you may run into as it is always helpful to have this feedback when launching a new system.

Kind regards,

Hi Chris,

if you want get back to me and I will explain to your online team what the exact problem is. I've done enough web-based projects to spot these errors easily... but let's wait if the fix tonight will solve the issue...

aaupgrade Oct 16, 2007 4:27 am

Well the Session Expired bug is fixed.

tfmpa Oct 16, 2007 1:05 pm

Hubby and I use the same e-mail address, so I think we will have to use our membership numbers to sign in. Kind of a pain if you ask me. Don't always remember my MR number.

damon2 Oct 17, 2007 9:25 am

create a new gmail account.
 
Forward it to your old email account. you can use your gmail account to login and still get the e-folios in your old email account. If your common email account is not gmail you might even get the same user name.

Long time lurker. First time poster. :)

USirritated Oct 17, 2007 11:41 am


Originally Posted by damon2 (Post 8574363)
Forward it to your old email account. you can use your gmail account to login and still get the e-folios in your old email account. If your common email account is not gmail you might even get the same user name.

Long time lurker. First time poster. :)

That probably sounded more complicated than it actually is!!

tfmpa Oct 17, 2007 2:11 pm


Originally Posted by damon2 (Post 8574363)
Forward it to your old email account. you can use your gmail account to login and still get the e-folios in your old email account. If your common email account is not gmail you might even get the same user name.

Long time lurker. First time poster. :)

Welcome to FT!
And thanks for the suggestion


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