Some children are germ vectors, and some parents are breeders.

You're mistaken if you think advocating a position is "aiding and abetting" discrimination.

I'm not a "hypersensitive person," and I don't "routinely complain" about anything, much less "minorities." Your characterization is insulting and offensive, but most of all, completely inaccurate. I advocate keeping crying babies out of fine restaurants. That's not "excluding minorities from public accommodation."

As for what it sounds like to you, your construction of the law is neither accurate nor relevant.

PTravel,

I've found at least 3 other references to bulletin boards where you've had similar discussions about unruly children and come up against arguments very much like those stated here. Is it that everyone else is out of step with YOU, or are you out of step with reasonable expectations?

Additionally, on several of those boards, you have described various other incidents (not the one referred to in your initial post here) and repeatedly described childrens voices in those incidents as "shrieking". I find it an amazing coincidence that you have run into these shrieking children so often over the years. Do you by chance travel wearing an Elmo costume? 'Cause that's the only way I can explain why these shrieking children appear to gravitate to where you are all the time. ;)


If you frequently have difficulty thinking while in the presence of children, really understand that you may just have a low tolerance to noise. Seriously.

Not trying to pick on you...honestly. But you have GOT to see the pattern here.

I believe, and now this is only my opinion, that what nearly every other person here would refer to as "a little noise" when discussing a toddler, is the same as what you might describe as "constant shrieking".

Some people are overweight, but calling them a lard ... is still derogatory.

Interesting, but inapplicable citation. I suspect that the presence and serving of alcohol (i.e., an adult beverage), especially in California, would mitigate the prohibition and except the provider. If you don't agree, maybe you should sue so you could then take your daughter with you to the strip bar.

Did you mean “ill-advised” or “unadvised”? Either way, one could benefit from taking one’s own “advice.”

I only post to three bulletin boards: FlyerTalk, DVInfo Net and Howard Forums. Howard Forums is about cellphones, I've never had discussions about unruly children there. DVInfo Net is a board for professional videographers; I moderate one of the subforums about legal issues for videographers. I've never had discussions about unruly children on DVInfo Net and, indeed, as a moderator, I'd delete any thread that raised as it is entirely off-topic for the board.

I can only assume you mean you've found 3 other threads here on FT. I'm sure there are far more than 3 FT threads in which I've had this dicussion. However, you'll note that I have more than 2,500 posts on the board. A tiny fraction, probably less than 3 or 4%, are about this issue.

Lots of people agree with me.

I still have no idea to what you're referring.

From dictionary.com:

Shriek:

1. a loud, sharp, shrill cry.
2. a loud, high sound of laughter.
3. any loud, shrill sound, as of a whistle.
–verb (used without object)
4. to utter a loud, sharp, shrill cry, as birds.
5. to cry out sharply in a high voice: to shriek with pain.
6. to utter loud, high-pitched sounds in laughing.
7. (of a musical instrument, a whistle, the wind, etc.) to give forth a loud, shrill sound.
–verb (used with object)
8. to utter in a shriek: to shriek defiance.

I think "shriek" is a very accurate description of the sound that young children sometimes make.

I'm surprised you've run into so few.

Perhaps, as you continue your research on my internet postings, you can read the circumstances under which I've encountered shrieking children. I'm far more interested to know where you encounter young children who don't shriek from time to time.

Seriously, you and a number of other posters would get very poor grades in a forensics class. I do not have difficulty thinking while in the presence of children. I have difficulty thinking while in the presence of loud noise.

Sorry, not honestly. Straw man argumentation is not honest. I'm more than happy to discuss virtually any question. I'm not willing to defend myself with respect to positions that I don't hold.

Oh, yes, I certainly see a pattern.

I think the saddest part for the OP here is that the credibilty of his words are non-existant. The "alleged" shreiking kid could have been a child acting normal. However, how can you complain to the Marriott employee on the floor at the time when the "alleged" shreiking child wasnt even causing a disturbance? Seems to me that a letter after the fact cannot be challenged?

The OP has numerous posts disparaging children and parents. How do the worst offenders on the planet always find his locations? Maybe a little more "confidentiality" of locations could keep the breeders away.

I always wonder about people who complain the most.

Ken in Phx

Maybe, maybe not. What is "a little noise"? Is it enough noise to overpower an average conversation taking place 15 feet away? Is it enough noise to cause everyone in a room the size of 3 "double doubles" to look up? Is it enough noise to cause a roomful of people to glare at the parents of the child? That's what cause me to quantify the sounds produced by the toddler in CL as "shrieks."

Fair point. ASC has its own jargon, and even at ASC I doubt if I ever used the term more than a couple of times and, then, only in response to trolls. I've never used the term anywhere else, and certainly not on FT. As for the other, I've never called children missiles, I've said they become missiles in crashes and extreme turbulence. I've also compared lap children to bowling balls in the context of a crash or extreme turbulence. I don't call children bowling balls.

PT

Please post your marriott stay schedule so I can bring my shrieking kids to the lounge there just to bug you

As do I.

http://www.thetravelforum.com/showth...2&page=3&pp=15

If these are not your postings, I will publicly apologize for attributing them to you.

I can find more, but I'm tired....long day with the kids :D
but Google is your friend.

Whereas I always wonder about people who can only make points by being dishonest. I've never disparaged children, and I don't disparage "parents." I do disparage people who are selfish, rude and inconsiderate. And, of course, I disparage people for dishonesty.

It's quite easy to search on FT. Perhaps you might try finding some quotes of mine that you disagree with, rather than making up things I've never said.

The you certainly must wonder about many of the posters to this forum (see: Bonus and EEO usage and points posting).

I'm a PP and Lifetime PLT and I've experienced my share of ill-behaved children in the Lounge. I don't have the passion of PTravel on this subject but I can relate to his emotion. Too many times, breakfast in the Lounge is affected by a self-absorbed mom trying to divine the epicure tastes of her progeny. That, and her little Johnny doesn’t like to watch the Today show.

These appear to be posts I made to Usenet (and, specifically, rec.travel.air) that were illegally copied by whoever runs "thetravelforum.com" in an effort to make it appear that there is activity at the website. I never posted to thetravelforum.com. Indeed, I've never even heard of thetravelforum.com.

Your apology is accepted.

Say, that's very clever! Take you long to come up with that?