SpringHill Suites Vs Residence Inn - what's so difference?
Aug 10, 2018, 6:47 pm
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I may be wrong, but it feels like a number of posters here experience a CY, for example, that's above the minimum, and then are disappointed that all the other CY aren't the same. I know it's not a perfect example, but a handful of CY's have concierge lounges. That's a nice add when I book a CY, not an expectation. I'm not upset about the CY with a lounge just because it's inconsistent.
Aug 10, 2018, 8:11 pm
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Aug 11, 2018, 6:47 am
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I do think there are differences between these brands as a whole that I don’t think it would be easy to combine any, particularly Fairfield and SHS. I could maybe see converting TPS to Residence Inn, but they’d have to up the quality of many of them. Without knowing too much about the SPG brands, I’d imagine they’d present more opportunity to merge brands than the pre-existing Marriott brands.
Aug 11, 2018, 6:57 am
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There are fewer of them (12 vs. 18) and IMO they already had more distinct / unique positionings relative to a number of the Marriott brands.
Tribute would have been an easy fold-in to Autograph but they decided to keep them separate as they said Tribute was a 1/2 notch lower (which IMO is silly).
Sheraton has good equity internationally (despite being weak in the US) so can't just get rid of that. Nobody likes Four Points, but then you'd have to find a home for those properties. I think they just like the sound of 30 brands vs. 28 or 29.
But back to SHS vs. TPS vs. RI vs. FI...if we are discussing about one having a microwave vs. another not, or one having a full size fridge vs. a half size one...those are tactical differences, versus having truly distinct identities.
Aug 11, 2018, 7:42 am
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There are fewer of them (12 vs. 18) and IMO they already had more distinct / unique positionings relative to a number of the Marriott brands.
Tribute would have been an easy fold-in to Autograph but they decided to keep them separate as they said Tribute was a 1/2 notch lower (which IMO is silly).
Sheraton has good equity internationally (despite being weak in the US) so can't just get rid of that. Nobody likes Four Points, but then you'd have to find a home for those properties. I think they just like the sound of 30 brands vs. 28 or 29.
But back to SHS vs. TPS vs. RI vs. FI...if we are discussing about one having a microwave vs. another not, or one having a full size fridge vs. a half size one...those are tactical differences, versus having truly distinct identities.
SHS to FI isn’t a stark contrast, but as mentioned SHS does typically have a totally different room layout.
Aug 11, 2018, 8:02 am
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Aug 11, 2018, 8:04 am
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Do you really not understand the difference between a hotel room with a microwave and an apartment with a full kitchen? The rest of the world does.
Starwood, with its limited offerings and footprint, did not have any brand like RI or TPS, which competes with other hotel/residences like Candlewood Suites, Home2 Suites and Suburban Suites. SHS does not compete in that category. Anyone looking for that type of hotel would be disappointed by a SHS because it is not that type of hotel. Why would Marriott want to mislead guests by moving SHS into the wrong category?
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Aug 11, 2018, 8:30 am
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It is clear you have not set foot in these brands. RI is like an apartment, maybe a studio sometimes, with a complete walk-in functioning kitchen. SHS has a little shelf in the room with a sink, a small fridge below and a microwave above. There is an entire room difference, not to mention one is like an apartment and the other is like a hotel room. One has amenities expected in an apartment, like multiple closets, lots of storage, real dishes. Someone in need of a long stay option would choose an RI. These are as different as concepts could be. Anyone claiming these hotels are similar is foolish because those of us who have actually been in these hotels know the rooms are very, very different. Not little architectural differences, but concept differences.
Do you really not understand the difference between a hotel room with a microwave and an apartment with a full kitchen? The rest of the world does.
Starwood, with its limited offerings and footprint, did not have any brand like RI or TPS, which competes with other hotel/residences like Candlewood Suites, Home2 Suites and Suburban Suites. SHS does not compete in that category. Anyone looking for that type of hotel would be disappointed by a SHS because it is not that type of hotel. Why would Marriott want to mislead guests by moving SHS into the wrong category?
Do you really not understand the difference between a hotel room with a microwave and an apartment with a full kitchen? The rest of the world does.
Starwood, with its limited offerings and footprint, did not have any brand like RI or TPS, which competes with other hotel/residences like Candlewood Suites, Home2 Suites and Suburban Suites. SHS does not compete in that category. Anyone looking for that type of hotel would be disappointed by a SHS because it is not that type of hotel. Why would Marriott want to mislead guests by moving SHS into the wrong category?
BTW you help make my point for me when you describe Residence Inn being really more of a apartment / multi-room Suite property, and SHS is really more of an oversized single room Inn property
Aug 11, 2018, 8:31 am
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It is clear you have not set foot in these brands. RI is like an apartment, maybe a studio sometimes, with a complete walk-in functioning kitchen. SHS has a little shelf in the room with a sink, a small fridge below and a microwave above. There is an entire room difference, not to mention one is like an apartment and the other is like a hotel room. One has amenities expected in an apartment, like multiple closets, lots of storage, real dishes. Someone in need of a long stay option would choose an RI. These are as different as concepts could be. Anyone claiming these hotels are similar is foolish because those of us who have actually been in these hotels know the rooms are very, very different. Not little architectural differences, but concept differences.
Do you really not understand the difference between a hotel room with a microwave and an apartment with a full kitchen? The rest of the world does.
Starwood, with its limited offerings and footprint, did not have any brand like RI or TPS, which competes with other hotel/residences like Candlewood Suites, Home2 Suites and Suburban Suites. SHS does not compete in that category. Anyone looking for that type of hotel would be disappointed by a SHS because it is not that type of hotel. Why would Marriott want to mislead guests by moving SHS into the wrong category?
Do you really not understand the difference between a hotel room with a microwave and an apartment with a full kitchen? The rest of the world does.
Starwood, with its limited offerings and footprint, did not have any brand like RI or TPS, which competes with other hotel/residences like Candlewood Suites, Home2 Suites and Suburban Suites. SHS does not compete in that category. Anyone looking for that type of hotel would be disappointed by a SHS because it is not that type of hotel. Why would Marriott want to mislead guests by moving SHS into the wrong category?
Aug 11, 2018, 9:22 am
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Aug 11, 2018, 9:28 am
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Yes. They are all extended stay hotels where SHS is not. Extended stay hotels are their own market and attract different guests than a regular or all-suites mid-market hotel. Why would anyone think hotels in different market segments are similar?
Aug 11, 2018, 9:37 am
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These brands appeal to very different demographics and travel patterns. Very different identities with the exception of RI/TPS where it may be more tactical (think bare bones apartment complex vs one with a pool/basketball court/BBQ area and fire pit).
Aug 11, 2018, 11:07 am
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Never said I was intimately familiar with them, but decisions based on limited information & initial impressions is the definition of behavioral economics in action...and again you miss the bigger point. Lack of distinct identities w/too much overlap. Naming that is at odds w/the physical hardware (SHS aren't really "suites", they are oversized rooms / Jr. suites; RI seems to be more actual suite driven but that's also not part of the nomenclature). And an Inn as the older sibling of a Suites and a Suites that's an older sibling of an Inn...ergo confusion.
Aug 11, 2018, 1:44 pm
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Says someone who knows nothing about the brands. RI is an extended stay hotel, SHS is a mid-market hotel. These are very different categories. This is a very simple concept. While there might be an argument that RI and TPS are similar, the same cannot remotely be said about an extended stay hotel and a mid-market hotel.
Your assertion shows there are a few posters who are so anxious to show Marriott is wrong they will say anything, no matter how baseless, silly or removed from reality. Once again it is not Marriott that looks bad.
Your assertion shows there are a few posters who are so anxious to show Marriott is wrong they will say anything, no matter how baseless, silly or removed from reality. Once again it is not Marriott that looks bad.