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ctownflyer Jul 30, 2018 8:06 pm

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Mr. Vker Jul 30, 2018 8:27 pm


Originally Posted by OssianBlue (Post 30029918)
Would they get my elite benefits then? MY wife is going to HK and I'm going to use a TP cert on it (assuming it isn't canceled). Be nice to at least get the nights from that.

Well, she's not supposed to. Will she? Likely.

jeepie Jul 30, 2018 8:46 pm


Originally Posted by azepine00 (Post 30029810)
Nonsense. Marriott issued certs with specific expiration valid at specific categories - trying to refuse to honor them will open a legal can of worms unless the refund is sufficient to cover those stays..

Hmmm, not so sure here. For example, I had a Cat 8 cert with the stay reserved. My plans changed, so the cert went back to my account. Then, the hotel’s Cat went up. I had to pay more points to reserve the hotel several weeks later. Maybe not exactly the same thing, but to me, it points out that nothing is guaranteed. Ymmv. Cheers.

akb626 Jul 30, 2018 9:09 pm


Originally Posted by ahbitheman (Post 30029067)
What do people here think the odds are that a legacy Category 9 TP will be redeemable at a new "Category 7" hotel (turning Category 8 in 2019)?


Originally Posted by imverge (Post 30029189)
I think any legacy certificates for category 8, 9 and above will be redeemable at a new category 7. No legacy certificates will be redeemable for category 8.


Originally Posted by tth6133 (Post 30029194)
Mapping from current certificates to new category is highly unlikely because it would be even more costly to Marriott than simply refunding points for full 6 nights. Starwood Lurker has also stated that conversion would be based on points, not categories. But anything is possible, I suppose.

Quick data-point from a call with an Australian Marriott CS/reservations rep just now (no wait time, well worth the 1 cent per minute).

I previously purchased a category 8 certificate and downgraded it to category 1-5 - I am waiting for points to come in from a household member's SPG account in order to buy a new Category 6 package. For now, I wanted to upgrade my 1-5 to category 9 in the case that I couldn't change things after the 31st.

Other background info: I would like to make a 7 night redemption in the near future at a [post-merger] category 5-7 hotel in Japan. However, I would much prefer the scenario where the old travel packages are converted to pure unrestricted MR points for us to dole out to FF programs and/or individual hotel night redemption.

As to...
a. whether we could change categories for existing packages after August 1st using the current travel package pricing. Answer: Yes. We can change categories until the 18th.
b. whether I could change categories on my existing package again after a 2nd change - No, she strongly advised me not to upgrade to category 9 right now because

i. as I had already modified the package once, I can only make one more modification.
ii. "After the merger, there is no category 9, so you will only be able to book category 8s and below with this certificate. You cannot change it to category 8/another category and receive a points differential refund."

Hope this is useful.

azepine00 Jul 30, 2018 9:45 pm


Originally Posted by jeepie (Post 30030025)
Hmmm, not so sure here. For example, I had a Cat 8 cert with the stay reserved. My plans changed, so the cert went back to my account. Then, the hotel’s Cat went up. I had to pay more points to reserve the hotel several weeks later. Maybe not exactly the same thing, but to me, it points out that nothing is guaranteed. Ymmv. Cheers.

well you had cst 8 cert and hotel became cat 9. Annoying but within rules. They did not cancel your cert for a fraction of value or refuse to honor it at all other cat 8 and below hotels.
they either have to refund points at cat value or honor at same cat till expiry - everything else seems risky from legal standpoint...

uibd Jul 30, 2018 9:46 pm


Originally Posted by Mr. Vker (Post 30029979)
Well, she's not supposed to. Will she? Likely.

Actually if this is the Renaissance in HK they won't get the benefits. They are really strict on this.

frudd38 Jul 30, 2018 9:46 pm


Originally Posted by Mr. Vker (Post 30029865)
Kind of. You make the reservation and add their name to it. This is for TP certs. The Megabonus certs and Chase certs are nontransferrable.

Thanks, but I'm asking on an official capacity as 2nd guest check is always ymmv.

Nitin Moryani Jul 30, 2018 10:06 pm

I’ve just booked myself an Alaska 50k Miles + cat. 1-5 (7 night) travel package. Was a matter of minutes. What sent a chill down my spine was, the rep said “u know u have to book your stay before August..?” I said “yeah.. but what if I don’t..?” She said, “ then u won’t be able to use your stay certificate.” I just thought that she doesn’t know what she is talking about and just went ahead and booked the package anyway. Are we doing a mistake here..?

milesforhire Jul 30, 2018 10:30 pm


Originally Posted by Nitin Moryani (Post 30030201)
I’ve just booked myself an Alaska 50k Miles + cat. 1-5 (7 night) travel package. Was a matter of minutes. What sent a chill down my spine was, the rep said “u know u have to book your stay before August..?” I said “yeah.. but what if I don’t..?” She said, “ then u won’t be able to use your stay certificate.” I just thought that she doesn’t know what she is talking about and just went ahead and booked the package anyway. Are we doing a mistake here..?

The customer service rep I just booked with thought I needed to go through United to book my 7 nights................. Take what these reps say with a healthy grain of salt

sinfonia Jul 30, 2018 10:36 pm

I'm seriously considering purchasing a second TP for another stay that I would like.

I am uncertain which airlines to award for this second TP. I have no particular use in mind for these miles yet but really like the idea of getting stopovers and also of low fuel surcharges. Since I have read that United, Alaska, and Aeroplan are very good options, I am considering them. Out of LAX, is Alaska a better choice than Aeroplan? Most likely, the miles will be used for somewhere in Europe, South America, Japan, New Zealand, or some island in the south pacific.

sinfonia Jul 30, 2018 10:39 pm


Originally Posted by Nitin Moryani (Post 30030201)
I’ve just booked myself an Alaska 50k Miles + cat. 1-5 (7 night) travel package. Was a matter of minutes. What sent a chill down my spine was, the rep said “u know u have to book your stay before August..?” I said “yeah.. but what if I don’t..?” She said, “ then u won’t be able to use your stay certificate.” I just thought that she doesn’t know what she is talking about and just went ahead and booked the package anyway. Are we doing a mistake here..?

In my experience, not a single CSR that I have spoken with yet even knew about the new travel package price structure. They have received absolutely no information about new TPs, so while I understand how it made you nervous, my guess is that the agent probably knew as little as the other four agents I have spoken with already.

windwalker Jul 30, 2018 11:11 pm

VERY VERY Late to the game but believe I still have some time to get it done
SPG/Marriott Merger
Have 323K MR points, 151K SPG, 231K UA,140 AA, 194k Delta, zero AS
was just going to sit on hotel balance but with kids in OKA for next 3years(marine SIL), seems miles might be a better use, as we(3 of us), need to get there (and Hopefully not in Y) and may have to do it at least once a year for next three

Marriott has a cat 8 there-Renaissance Resort which is about 10 miles from where kids are

seems to make sense(to me) to transfer 50K SPG to Marriott and purchase for 360K 7 nights and 132K Miles

or is my math off?
Not traveling(flying) much at all, so little opportunity to earn
Would a transfer to to Alaska/Avois or some other program make better sense?
Have not looked at flights

flyer05 Jul 31, 2018 12:50 am


Originally Posted by uibd (Post 30030157)
Actually if this is the Renaissance in HK they won't get the benefits. They are really strict on this.

My dad enjoyed my Gold Elite benefits on two separate TP stays at the Renaissance Harbour View, both times using the second guest trick.

tth6133 Jul 31, 2018 4:38 am

This is somewhat off topic, but might be useful to people who are deciding where to credit the flight portion of TPs they're about to purchase. Each frequent flyer program has its pros and cons, of course. Here's a brief summary of the four programs most often used for TP transfers:

1) AS - Pros: Currently the most valuable currency. Great for transpacific flights (on CX, JL, etc). Stopover on one-way flights. Good domestic flights (including Hawaii) if you live on the West Coast. Cons: Award availability sometimes scarce on partners. Devaluation is likely on the horizon soon.
2) UA - Pros: Lots of partners. No fuel surcharges. Excursion perk for those can take advantage of it. Short distance intra-region flights outside of US. Cons: Awards on partners cost more in J/F.
3) AC (AP) - Pros: Generous stopover rules on RT flights. Reasonable award pricing on transatlantic flights. Cons: Fuel surcharges on its own metal and most partners. Uncertainty beyond 2020. Miles expire in just 1 year and not as easy to extend for those not living in Canada.
4) BA (Avios) - Pros: Great for short-distance direct flights (especially outside of US). Cons: Exorbitant fuel surcharges (except in regions where they're prohibited). Expensive for long-distance flights in J/F.

akb626 Jul 31, 2018 4:42 am


Originally Posted by sinfonia (Post 30030267)
I'm seriously considering purchasing a second TP for another stay that I would like.

I am uncertain which airlines to award for this second TP. I have no particular use in mind for these miles yet but really like the idea of getting stopovers and also of low fuel surcharges. Since I have read that United, Alaska, and Aeroplan are very good options, I am considering them. Out of LAX, is Alaska a better choice than Aeroplan? Most likely, the miles will be used for somewhere in Europe, South America, Japan, New Zealand, or some island in the south pacific.

Out of LAX, Alaska is better [cheaper in J] than Aeroplan for Japan, New Zealand, Europe (looked up Paris), South America (looked up Buenos Aries and São Paulo). So that's all of them except the South Pacific - it doesn't seem CX flies to any of those islands on first glance.


Originally Posted by windwalker (Post 30030316)
VERY VERY Late to the game but believe I still have some time to get it done
SPG/Marriott Merger
Have 323K MR points, 151K SPG, 231K UA,140 AA, 194k Delta, zero AS
was just going to sit on hotel balance but with kids in OKA for next 3years(marine SIL), seems miles might be a better use, as we(3 of us), need to get there (and Hopefully not in Y) and may have to do it at least once a year for next three

Marriott has a cat 8 there-Renaissance Resort which is about 10 miles from where kids are

seems to make sense(to me) to transfer 50K SPG to Marriott and purchase for 360K 7 nights and 132K Miles

or is my math off?
Not traveling(flying) much at all, so little opportunity to earn
Would a transfer to to Alaska/Avois or some other program make better sense?
Have not looked at flights

Assuming "A Capital City on The East Coast" is D.C...and not in Y is a must... your one stop options are taking the NH/UA flight direct from IAD to NRT then a connecting flight (so not Alaska or Avios). If you are OK with taking a train from Tokyo, then that opens up a CX redemption on the new IAD - HKG route via Alaska.


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