One night not available, adding an extra night makes it available
#16
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As a Revenue Manager at a hotel in Downtown Minneapolis, I placed minimum stay requirements at on least one night per week. The only times I didn't were most of December and the work week following a three-day weekend. Those periods didn't require them because demand for business travel would be far less than normal.
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I was trying to look at the availability for a one night stay (with specific dates) at the Marriott website and didn't receive any results. I edited the search to add an extra (consecutive) night to those dates and lo and behold I did get results.
So I was wondering how this is possible. If there are no rooms available for a specific night, how can there be a room available if you choose to stay for that same night and an extra night?
So I was wondering how this is possible. If there are no rooms available for a specific night, how can there be a room available if you choose to stay for that same night and an extra night?
Just to double-check - were you using any type of rate codes? Even something as basic as AAA? Sometimes a rate might not be available for a single nite....but adding the 2nd gives you the rate for both.
Most of the time it still shows availability on the first nite....just at a higher rate, but I have seen it revert to a sold out status, too.
Last edited by sophiegirl; Sep 28, 2012 at 6:38 pm
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As a Revenue Manager at a hotel in Downtown Minneapolis, I placed minimum stay requirements at on least one night per week. The only times I didn't were most of December and the work week following a three-day weekend. Those periods didn't require them because demand for business travel would be far less than normal.
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Back to the OP's question....
Just to double-check - were you using any type of rate codes? Even something as basic as AAA? Sometimes a rate might not be available for a single nite....but adding the 2nd gives you the rate for both.
Most of the time it still shows availability on the first nite....just at a higher rate, but I have seen it revert to a sold out status, too.
Just to double-check - were you using any type of rate codes? Even something as basic as AAA? Sometimes a rate might not be available for a single nite....but adding the 2nd gives you the rate for both.
Most of the time it still shows availability on the first nite....just at a higher rate, but I have seen it revert to a sold out status, too.
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Thanks for all the comments! Had no idea this was not so uncommon. Anyway I've been checking the past few nights with no codes and it's been pretty consistent. I even tried calling directly but no help there. Since it seemed pretty hopeless I booked a motel, but I'll keep checking just in case. I was really hoping having a Marriott membership would give me more of a chance but alas not really, lol.
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Minimum and maximum stay requirements have been a foundational part of Marriott's revenue management system for decades. I'm surprised Marriott hasn't taken things to the next level - dynamic pricing depending on number of nights.
In the example given by the OP, it probably would have been better to see that a one-night stay priced at $125 but a two-night stay priced at $85 each night. And then, if someone were to book the two nights but then check out early, it's probably easier to note in the terms and conditions that an early check-out would revert the stay to the one-night rate.
In the example given by the OP, it probably would have been better to see that a one-night stay priced at $125 but a two-night stay priced at $85 each night. And then, if someone were to book the two nights but then check out early, it's probably easier to note in the terms and conditions that an early check-out would revert the stay to the one-night rate.
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1) In many cases, the overall market in the hotel's area could show that, say, 70% of the demand on Tuesdays is for multiple night stays and only 30% of the demand is for one-nighters. The hotel wants to fill every room every night; filling it with multiple-nighters provides an enhanced chance of 100% occupancy not only on Tuesday, but on Wednesday and Thursday.
2) Stayovers are cheaper for the hotel to service than checkouts. There is much less housekeeping and bookkeeping involved on a stayover.
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Clearly, minimum stay requirements benefit the hotel as they help increase occupancy on the shoulder days. However, they also help any guest who needs to stay at a hotel for more than one night. These types of restrictions are only used when projected demand ensures a sold out night.
Purposely evading a minimum stay requirement becomes an ethical question. While it may personally benefit you, it means the hotel will effectively lose money. It also means that a guest who wants to stay for multiple nights will be turned away. ...
Purposely evading a minimum stay requirement becomes an ethical question. While it may personally benefit you, it means the hotel will effectively lose money. It also means that a guest who wants to stay for multiple nights will be turned away. ...
Thanks in no small part to people who cancel their reservation or check out early. Cancellations and early check outs are the norm in the industry not the exception.
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Minimum and maximum stay requirements have been a foundational part of Marriott's revenue management system for decades. I'm surprised Marriott hasn't taken things to the next level - dynamic pricing depending on number of nights.
In the example given by the OP, it probably would have been better to see that a one-night stay priced at $125 but a two-night stay priced at $85 each night. And then, if someone were to book the two nights but then check out early, it's probably easier to note in the terms and conditions that an early check-out would revert the stay to the one-night rate.
In the example given by the OP, it probably would have been better to see that a one-night stay priced at $125 but a two-night stay priced at $85 each night. And then, if someone were to book the two nights but then check out early, it's probably easier to note in the terms and conditions that an early check-out would revert the stay to the one-night rate.
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Minimum stays requirements are only used when the computer forecasts that the hotel will get calls for multi-night stays. In many situations, there is little risk for the hotel, since demand for single nights is always going to be there. For example: most Las Vegas hotels always have a minimum stay of two nights on a Saturday. If demand for two nights doesn't materialize, they can remove the restriction a day or two before and fill the vacant rooms.
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Minimum stay requirements are used to improve occupancy on the "shoulder" days. On a regular week, my hotel always sold out on Tuesday and Wednesday. Without minumum stay requirements, those two nights would sell out months in advance. Now, imagine it's two weeks out and a guests wants to arrive on Monday and leave on Thursday. Since Tuesday and Wednesday are sold out, we'd have to turn that guest away and we'd miss out on filling a room on that Monday.
Minimum stays requirements are only used when the computer forecasts that the hotel will get calls for multi-night stays. In many situations, there is little risk for the hotel, since demand for single nights is always going to be there. For example: most Las Vegas hotels always have a minimum stay of two nights on a Saturday. If demand for two nights doesn't materialize, they can remove the restriction a day or two before and fill the vacant rooms.
Minimum stays requirements are only used when the computer forecasts that the hotel will get calls for multi-night stays. In many situations, there is little risk for the hotel, since demand for single nights is always going to be there. For example: most Las Vegas hotels always have a minimum stay of two nights on a Saturday. If demand for two nights doesn't materialize, they can remove the restriction a day or two before and fill the vacant rooms.
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There is a very simple turnaround. Book with extra night, and then modify your reservation through the website.
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Purposely evading a minimum stay requirement becomes an ethical question. While it may personally benefit you, it means the hotel will effectively lose money. It also means that a guest who wants to stay for multiple nights will be turned away. Finally, tipped hotel employees lose out on the opportunity to earn a living because the room will be empty on the second night.
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And two wrongs always make it ok