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pazza2000 Jan 18, 2021 11:41 am

My guess would be most will stay as is and we will see little in terms of change this year.

cfabar1 Jan 18, 2021 1:38 pm

I am curious to see where the rates go. I do find in some communities the points rate vs. cash seems to have absolutely no reasonable valuation difference, for example Asheveille, NC. However, the program is constantly devalued more and more the question now is how much more value can Marriott extract from the program.

I hope the new list follows soon, it would be nice to know if some properties are moving down. I assume many more will be moving up. Category 8 is way too big.

Keyser Jan 18, 2021 10:18 pm

2021 is going to be a slow travel year for most....a big step up from 2020 but slow nevertheless....maybe reducing cat levels might be a good idea for marriott to try & get people to use up their points....i don't see revenue rates being on the higher side throughout the year so using points at the majority of properties at their current level is not a great incentive at the moment....

vishalgupta22 Jan 19, 2021 6:35 am


Originally Posted by Kacee (Post 32977354)
I could absolutely see Marriott increases rates for properties that are in high demand, i.e., higher-end resort properties in places where travel is allowed.

I think most of them are around category 8 already.

vishalgupta22 Jan 19, 2021 6:36 am

One interesting thing Marriott can do is bring back old chart for this year. By old chart I mean when lot of hotels were a category low and cat 8 was on hold for a year.

craigthemif Jan 19, 2021 6:56 am


Originally Posted by vishalgupta22 (Post 32979238)
One interesting thing Marriott can do is bring back old chart for this year. By old chart I mean when lot of hotels were a category low and cat 8 was on hold for a year.

This is the one thing Marriott won't do. Category creep has long been their preferred strategy for devaluing, without having everybody scream DEVALUATION like an award chart change would...

We'll get more of the off-peak deals in 2021. Maybe few to no category changes this year. That's about it.

ankomonkey Jan 19, 2021 9:00 am

I'd love to see my final package (Cat 1-4) be usable at more properties by some category drops :p:D

myperks Jan 19, 2021 9:28 am


Originally Posted by ankomonkey (Post 32979551)
I'd love to see my final package (Cat 1-4) be usable at more properties by some category drops :p:D

I’m sure if you can’t find a property right now to use it, you probably still won’t find one if there is a category change... there’s a chance you can, but not that great :D.

vishalgupta22 Jan 19, 2021 9:56 am


Originally Posted by craigthemif (Post 32979284)
This is the one thing Marriott won't do. Category creep has long been their preferred strategy for devaluing, without having everybody scream DEVALUATION like an award chart change would...

We'll get more of the off-peak deals in 2021. Maybe few to no category changes this year. That's about it.

I know they won't do anything like that. I was just hoping Marriott will be logical, but, well....

SPN Lifer Jan 19, 2021 10:52 am


Originally Posted by ankomonkey (Post 32979551)
I'd love to see my final package (Cat 1-4) be usable at more properties by some category drops :p:D


Originally Posted by myperks (Post 32979610)
I’m sure if you can’t find a property right now to use it, you probably still won’t find one if there is a category change... there’s a chance you can, but not that great :D.

Have you considered a vacation in BFL (Bakersfield, CA)?

EdofFX Jan 20, 2021 7:20 am

With the demand anticipated to be low for at least most of 2021, it would be nice if Marriott can come out and declare the off-peak rates will apply through something like September 30, 2021. That would be a sensible first step.

Frankly, they can increase their categories all they want, they are just devaluing their program. I don't have millions in Bonvoy points, so I can just make a choice between award or cash. 40,000 points or $89? That is an easy choice.

ankomonkey Jan 20, 2021 11:18 am


Originally Posted by SPN Lifer (Post 32979852)
Have you considered a vacation in BFL (Bakersfield, CA)?

Thanks for the suggestion. Sadly, I'm based in the UK, so can't enter the US for the foreseeable future... I may need to resign myself to 7 nights in the Courtyard Gatwick Airport...

escapefromphl Jan 20, 2021 12:06 pm


Originally Posted by ankomonkey (Post 32982364)
Thanks for the suggestion. Sadly, I'm based in the UK, so can't enter the US for the foreseeable future... I may need to resign myself to 7 nights in the Courtyard Gatwick Airport...

Actually there are some properties in Spain and Greece which look decent enough, AC Hotel Malaga Palacio or Fresh Hotel Athens. May be doable by July.

ankomonkey Jan 21, 2021 9:52 am


Originally Posted by escapefromphl (Post 32982508)
Actually there are some properties in Spain and Greece which look decent enough, AC Hotel Malaga Palacio or Fresh Hotel Athens. May be doable by July.

I just need the UK government to let us leave the country :rolleyes:

pazza2000 Jan 21, 2021 12:54 pm


Originally Posted by ankomonkey (Post 32984634)
I just need the UK government to let us leave the country :rolleyes:

Q3, hopefully 🤞


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